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Andre Drummond - LeBron's Robin

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avs2000 said:
Can we have a list of the #8 picks who have been huge busts.
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Same format as before (#8 picks since 2000):

DeSagana Diop (2001)
Chris Wilcox (2002)
T.J. Ford (2003)
Rafael Araujo (2004)
Brendan Wright (2007)
Joe Alexander (2008)
Jordan Hill (2009)
Brandon Knight (2011)
Nik Stauskas (2014)
Stanley Johnson (2015)
Marqueese Chriss (2016)
Frank Ntilikina (2017)

Jamal Crawford (2000) and Rudy Gay (2006) were the only names that really stood off the page and separated themselves for me, and honestly, I think Crawford was pretty overrated in his career. Rudy Gay is the best 8th overall pick of the last 20 years, and honestly... he wasn't ever that great either. Never made an all-star game in his career, his career best PER in a season was 19.7 and the highest WS total he ever had was 6.4 (for reference, Giannis already has 9 WS this season and we're not even halfway through February).

Channing Frye (2005), Al-Farouq Aminu (2010), Terrence Ross (2012), and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (2013) aren't horrible players, but they aren't/weren't guys you can really build your franchise around at all. They're solid 7th-9th guys on a good team at their peak, but that's about it.

Jury is still out on Collin Sexton (2018) and Jaxson Hayes (2019). Sexton is one of the better young scorers in all of basketball but is pretty limited in all other facets of the game. Hayes has been pretty damn effective in his playtime thus far in his rookie campaign.


So... yeah. When Rudy Gay and Jamal Crawford are the best players that have come out of a specific pick in the last 20 years AND that pick is in the lottery... I think it's safe to say that pick is incredibly cursed.
 
Stark said:
Same format as before (#8 picks since 2000):

DeSagana Diop (2001)
Chris Wilcox (2002)
T.J. Ford (2003)
Rafael Araujo (2004)
Brendan Wright (2007)
Joe Alexander (2008)
Jordan Hill (2009)
Brandon Knight (2011)
Nik Stauskas (2014)
Stanley Johnson (2015)
Marqueese Chriss (2016)
Frank Ntilikina (2017)

Jamal Crawford (2000) and Rudy Gay (2006) were the only names that really stood off the page and separated themselves for me, and honestly, I think Crawford was pretty overrated in his career. Rudy Gay is the best 8th overall pick of the last 20 years, and honestly... he wasn't ever that great either. Never made an all-star game in his career, his career best PER in a season was 19.7 and the highest WS total he ever had was 6.4 (for reference, Giannis already has 9 WS this season and we're not even halfway through February).

Channing Frye (2005), Al-Farouq Aminu (2010), Terrence Ross (2012), and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (2013) aren't horrible players, but they aren't/weren't guys you can really build your franchise around at all. They're solid 7th-9th guys on a good team at their peak, but that's about it.

Jury is still out on Collin Sexton (2018) and Jaxson Hayes (2019). Sexton is one of the better young scorers in all of basketball but is pretty limited in all other facets of the game. Hayes has been pretty damn effective in his playtime thus far in his rookie campaign.


So... yeah. When Rudy Gay and Jamal Crawford are the best players that have come out of a specific pick in the last 20 years AND that pick is in the lottery... I think it's safe to say that pick is incredibly cursed.
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lol. I thought Chris Wilcox had the most potential out of all of those #8 guys: got that one wrong Great body and leaper: though he could have been a healthy McDyess
 
Pioneer10 said:
lol. I thought Chris Wilcox had the most potential out of all of those #8 guys: got that one wrong Great body and leaper: though he could have been a healthy McDyess
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I was so high on Juan Dixon its stupid.
 
Stark said:
- Stromile Swift (2000)
- Jay Williams (2002) (injury)
- Darko Milicic (2003)
- Emeka Okafor (2004)
- Michael Beasley (2008)
- Hasheem Thabeet (2009)
- Evan Turner (2010)
- Derrick Williams (2011)
- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (2012)
- Jabari Parker (2014)

Marvin Williams (2005) has carved out a nice career for himself, but he was still never a star. Deron Williams and Chris Paul were the next two picks after Williams in 2005.

Tyson Chandler (2001), LaMarcus Aldridge (2006), Kevin Durant (2007), Victor Oladipo (2013), and D'Angelo Russell (2015) have all made all-star games, but only Durant is a generational type player (Aldridge was very, very good at his peak as well).

Jury is still out on Brandon Ingram (2016), Lonzo Ball (2017), Marvin Bagley (2018), and Ja Morant (2019). Ingram looks like a perennial all-star if he can stay healthy. Lonzo looks to be a rotation guy, not an all-star. The next three picks after Bagley were Doncic, Jaren Jackson, and Trae Young, so that pick was a bust unless he turns into a perennial all-star, which I don't see happening. Morant is the favorite for ROY this year and looks like a future star.

But still though, it's pretty weird that you can look back at pretty much the past 20 years of #2 picks, and really the only big time ballers that were there are KD and Aldridge.
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I'm not sure I would call Emeka a bust unless its because of the length of his career. When he played he was a walking double double and his first 5 years was 1.7 BPG or better. Rock solid role player in a not so great draft class. I'm not saying he was worth the number 2 pick but similar to Marvin he's more then a bust but less then great value for the pick.
 
jking948 said:
I am 100% here for Andre Drummond: Point Center.
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I am so impressed with Drummond's attitude and effort. He could have easily packed it in and gone through the motions for the rest of the season and declared for free agency. He thought he was either staying with Detroit or being traded to a contender. Instead he gets traded to one of the three worst teams in the league, which must have been a shock. But instead of sulking he's all in. He's playing like we're fighting for a playoff spot.

The first thing he said was he wants to help our young guards get better and to put the team in position for a successful off-season. On the court he's giving his best effort. Last night he was kept on the bench at crunch time because TT was playing out of his mind. No problem. The camera caught him smiling as the Cavs put the Hawks away in the final four minutes. Kevin Love was also celebrating, especially after TT hit those 3-point shots. It seems like Love, TT, Drummond and Nance are all taking a very unselfish approach, are genuinely happy when their teammate does well, and just want the team to win.

Everybody who accused the Cavs of tanking was 100% wrong.
 
Yeah I'm really liking the big boy, hopefully Nance can keep shooting the ball well because he fits next to Drummond a lot better than Love defensively.
 
The Cavs need a coach (Bickerstaff?) who can get through to Drummond, and make him play the right way. He has immense physical talents, and some basketball IQ (an innate ability to rebound), but he has mental lapses. And he tries to do too much, especially offensively.

He needs a task master as a coach, who will teach him the proper rotations on defense, and who can devise a defensive scheme to cover for his lack of perimeter defense. And he also needs a coach who can take advantage of his passing skills. Drummond needs to take fewer shots, and concentrate on is interior defense, shot blocking and passing out of the post to his guards and wings.


And as was pointed out in previous posts, the Cavs need to start Nance along side of Drummond and bring Love off the bench for instant offense.
 
Murph said:
The Cavs need a coach (Bickerstaff?) who can get through to Drummond, and make him play the right way. He has immense physical talents, and some basketball IQ (an innate ability to rebound), but he has mental lapses. And he tries to do too much, especially offensively.

He needs a task master as a coach, who will teach him the proper rotations on defense, and who can devise a defensive scheme to cover for his lack of perimeter defense. And he also needs a coach who can take advantage of his passing skills. Drummond needs to take fewer shots, and concentrate on is interior defense, shot blocking and passing out of the post to his guards and wings.


And as was pointed out in previous posts, the Cavs need to start Nance along side of Drummond and bring Love off the bench for instant offense.
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He has a major weakness too that explains why he gets blocked so much. I didn't notice it that much on Detroit. He will try to lay it up when he is at a disadvantage against 3 guys. I would guess most shots he gets blocked are on putbacks that he should be passing back out. This was TT's problem for years. Not until Lebron came and probably told him to knock it off did TT start passing it back out when triple teamed. TT was the most blocked guy in the league at one point.
 
Might be hard to judge because the talent is lacking on this team, but no thank you to resigning this guy for a crazy amount of money.
 
Rich said:
He just doesn't impact winning and losing much. Never has.
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His history in Detroit bears that out but I mean we might give him more than 4 games here before etching that in stone.

Traded mid season for the first time in his career. Coach is fired after two games. Gets like two practices and then the all star break.

Team is 2-2 since his acquisition.

Long term you’re probably right though
 
That thing where he said he was "bright". Doesn't look like it. He is so undisciplined
 
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