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It’s really simple. On defense he needs to focus on rebounding and protecting the rim. On offense he just needs to set good screens and roll hard to the rim. He could be a really handy player if he just focuses on that stuff and cuts the dribbling/long jumpers out
Although something tells me that he's not going to be reining in his game in a contract year....
 
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Although something tells me that he's not going to be reining in his game in a contract year....
From what I've read Dre has to prove that his game contributes to winning as opposed putting up impressive numbers in losses. If he has another 18 points, 15 rebounds season but a negative +/- then his contract offers may be pretty limited.

The coach in Detroit is already on record as saying they traded him for scraps because he couldn't or wouldn't adjust his game to what they were trying to do. If the Cavs do better this season when he's on the bench and don't make him an offer he will not be in a good position.
 

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It’s really simple. On defense he needs to focus on rebounding and protecting the rim. On offense he just needs to set good screens and roll hard to the rim. He could be a really handy player if he just focuses on that stuff and cuts the dribbling/long jumpers out

If,he stop acting like a point guard, play defense and stop with the turnovers I wouldn't mind re-signing him. He needs to understand that he's not the first,second and third option for scoring. Him scoring does help but him trying to be those options is hurting the team.

This is,why I want the organization to re-sign Tristan because he understands his role.
 

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I looked at the results of the last 13 games of the season after Drummond arrived. First - the wins....

1. Atlanta 127-105. The Cavs were +0 with Drummond on the floor. Off the floor they were +22.

2. Washington 113-108. AD committed 7 turnovers and the Cavs were -4 when he was on the floor, +9 when he was off.

3. Miami 125-119 (OT). -15 in 24 minutes with AD on the floor, +21 in 29 minutes with him off. Jimmy Butler did not play for Miami so let's not get too excited about this win.

4. Philly 108-94. AD did not play. Joel Embiid left with an injury after eight minutes.

5. Denver 104-102. AD did not play due to a calf strain.

6. San Antonio 132-129 (OT). AD had 28 pts, 17 rebounds, and 3 blocks with a +18 in 33 minutes. This was the only Cavs win that he was in the positive, but it shows what a force he can be if used correctly. He dominated Spurs center Trey Lyles who was a -12.

Losses...

1. Clippers 92-133. AD's first game. He was a -22 in the worst Cavs home loss in franchise history.

2. Miami 105-124. AD was -25; the Cavs were +6 with him on the bench.

3. New Orleans 104-116. Drummond was out with the calf injury.

4. Indy 104-113. AD had a big game with 27/13/4 and 4 steals but was a -18. With him on the bench the Cavs were +9.

5. Utah 113-126. AD, Garland, and TT were out with injuries.

6. Boston 106-112. AD, Garland and TT were out but the Cavs still were competitive.

7. Chicago 103-108. AD was a -4 in 35 minutes with 6 turnovers and 5 fouls. This was the Cavs' last game. They probably win if AD doesn't turn the ball over six times, but the real problem was the small forwards. Cedi was -13 in 35 minutes and McKinnie was -14 in 23 minutes. TT and Garland were out.

Overall, Drummond was awesome in the OT win over San Antonio but was not a factor or was actually a small negative in the other three wins he played in. The win over the Spurs was the second to last game of the year so maybe it took a few games for Bickerstaff to figure out how to best utilize Dre. Or maybe he just matched up well against SA.

OTOH, in the next game (and last of the season) he had 21 points and 7 boards against Chicago but committed six turnovers in a five-point loss.

It would be a mistake to say that once we got Drummond we started winning 50% of the time. First, he only contributed positively to one win. Secondly, we got a couple of lucky wins when Jimmy Butler skipped the game and when Imbiid went out in the first quarter.

The Cavs definitely played better at the end, winning 6 of their last 12 despite injuries to TT and Garland - both starters. This year if Bickerstaff can figure out how to use Drummond effectively in addition to getting two first round picks (Windler and the #5) and improved play from Garland, Sexton, and Porter this team will be fun to watch.

Unfortunately, we know Dre can have a 27/13/4 game and we can still be -18 with him on the floor and lose by 9. Bickerstaff needs to figure out how to use this major talent while still outscoring the other team.

For starters he can reduce his turnovers. Guys like him should not handle the ball that much. One dribble, two at the max and put up the shot or kick it out to an open shooter. Dre spends too much time trying to back down his man and gets stripped by a guard or forward.
Welp, that's pretty damning. JBB could find ways to better utilize him with time I guess, but it won't solve the the main problem that the guy just thinks he deserves to play like a star wing.

Funny enough, the one thing I really like about him is his passing. If he could really focus in on his strengths on offense, he could be a bigger Bam pretty much with the passing ability.

We re watching lots of Miami and Denver O so I think there could be something there. I think he could be a good offensive hub but he should absolutely never dribble much - so basically it's a long shot...
 

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Interesting trade proposal from FanSide:

"NBAAnalysis.net’s TJ Porreca has an intriguing trade proposal surrounding Andre Drummond that would give the Cleveland Cavaliers a real chance at being competitive in the 2020-2021 season while shedding some salary. It’s not the best trade in the world, but since the Cavs gave up next to nothing to get Drummond in the first place, to turn around and trade him out of the division while receiving a top-flight defender and a promising young big man in return is a pretty solid move. They may not match Drummond’s rebounding but they’re so much better off than Brandon Knight and John Henson; the two men sent to Detroit to acquire Drummond in the first place.

In his trade scenario, Porreca pitches the Cavs trade Andre Drummond to the Clippers for Patrick Beverly, Ivica Zubac, and Rodney McGruder. This is a solid deal, though it’d be even better if the Cavs could get a first-round pick out of the Clippers."


That would work out well for all parties. The Clippers clearly need help to get over the top. Drummond would go to a contender. Drummond would be a distant offensive option behind Kawhi and Paul George, which would probably keep him in line. Drummond could move to LA. Altman would have turned a conditional 2nd rounder into assets, which is genius. And the Cavs could continue on with their rebuild.
 

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Hoopshype is floating a rumor that Lebron might want Tristan Thompson to play with him in LA. That would be great for Thompson. He could be reunited with Lebron, and end his career on a high note. And at this point in their careers, Thompson is a much better option for the Lakers than Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee. And if the Cavs traded Drummond also, they could start a young player like Zubac or Bell or Okongwu or Wiseman or someone and continue on with their rebuild.
 

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Hoopshype is floating a rumor that Lebron might want Tristan Thompson to play with him in LA. That would be great for Thompson. He could be reunited with Lebron, and end his career on a high note. And at this point in their careers, Thompson is a much better option for the Lakers than Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee. And if the Cavs traded Drummond also, they could start a young player like Zubac or Bell or Okongwu or Wiseman or someone and continue on with their rebuild.
Hope it happens for TT. He has been a good soldier for Cavs
 

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Interesting trade proposal from FanSide:

"NBAAnalysis.net’s TJ Porreca has an intriguing trade proposal surrounding Andre Drummond that would give the Cleveland Cavaliers a real chance at being competitive in the 2020-2021 season while shedding some salary. It’s not the best trade in the world, but since the Cavs gave up next to nothing to get Drummond in the first place, to turn around and trade him out of the division while receiving a top-flight defender and a promising young big man in return is a pretty solid move. They may not match Drummond’s rebounding but they’re so much better off than Brandon Knight and John Henson; the two men sent to Detroit to acquire Drummond in the first place.

In his trade scenario, Porreca pitches the Cavs trade Andre Drummond to the Clippers for Patrick Beverly, Ivica Zubac, and Rodney McGruder. This is a solid deal, though it’d be even better if the Cavs could get a first-round pick out of the Clippers."


That would work out well for all parties. The Clippers clearly need help to get over the top. Drummond would go to a contender. Drummond would be a distant offensive option behind Kawhi and Paul George, which would probably keep him in line. Drummond could move to LA. Altman would have turned a conditional 2nd rounder into assets, which is genius. And the Cavs could continue on with their rebuild.
I was just thinking this yesterday. I was wondering about Zubac and Beverly. I would do it
 

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Drummond needs to understand that he is more a good contributing piece than a difference maker. The Pistons gave him difference maker money. I am not sure any team will do that again.

It's coming to the point I rather have the Cavs trade him. He thinks he's the #1 option when he's not. I won't be shocked,if the Cavs trade him..
 

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Not to mention did you see all the small ball , that was played in the playoffs.........
 
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