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Isaiah Hartenstein: wowing people in Vegas

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So sequencing the entire McGee experience together with the Harden trade Koby essentially traded Exum and a 2022 pick most likely to be in the 26-30 range, and 1 2nd round pick for Allen, Hartenstein, 3 2nd round picks, and potentially maybe another 2nd rounder whenever we deal Prince.
 
Small sample size but he looks like a decent young back up center. Along with Allen I think we may have somehow solved the 5 position going forward in exchange for 1/2 season of an injued Dante Exum, 1/2 season of an expiring JaVale McGee, and a 2023 low first round pick.

Don't forget about Jordan Clarkson.
 
Finally fouled out. Seems like they might want to keep him on the bench even if Allen is out.

He is good defensively. Surprisingly good
 
I like this kid.. but I like anybody who makes those high post passes. It's a weakness.
 
Hart has only played 151 minutes with the Cavs, which equates to five games of 32 minutes, so it's still very early, but it's interesting to look at where he ranks compared to other bigs around the league. I used cleaningtheglass.com which ranks each player in various categories compared to others who play the same position.

In the on court/off court category, the Cavs are outscoring their opponents by 15.4 points per 100 possessions with Hartenstein on the floor. This ranks him in the 98th percentile among NBA bigs. Does that mean he's one of the top bigs in the league? No, but it means the Cavs do very well when he's on the court. However, we have to consider two confounding variables. One is the fact that he plays a lot of his minutes against the opponents' bench players since Hart usually comes off the bench. Two, the Delly factor.

The Cavs are outscoring opponents by 20.0 points with Delly on the floor, by far the highest on the team. Since Hartenstein and Delly usually come in together you have to wonder if Hart is just riding on the Delly train and how much he is personally responsible for that +15. If Hart were starting and Allen was coming off the bench would Allen be the one who is +15? ( Allen is -1.4, by the way).

That +15.4 is mostly offense; the Cavs are 14.2 points better offensively and 1.2 points better defensively with AH on the floor.

Breaking it down, AH is in the 73rd percentile in points per shot attempt. I think that's mostly because he doesn't force crazy shots (like JaVale McGee, who was in the 31st percentile). He only shoots when he has a high percentage look. HIs effective field goal percentage is in the 84th percentile.

AH is in the 76th percentile in shots at the rim and the 86th percentile in the short mid-range (4' to 14') area. He has a nice push shot from the middle of the lane that he gets off quickly and accurately. He is great at drawing fouls, ranking in the 88th percentile in getting fouled on the shot attempt.

One thing I like about AH and perhaps a reason his EFG% is so high is he understands when he doesn't have a good shot. For example, whenever Tristan Thompson grabbed an offensive rebound he would force it back up, even if he were surrounded. It's like he figured that since he worked so hard to get the ball he earned a shot and was going to take it. He used to get stripped or blocked on put-backs a lot, which negated the offensive rebound and frustrated the hell out of me.

Hartenstein grabs offensive rebounds and if he is in a crowd he'll frequently kick it out for a 3-point shot or a new play rather than trying to plow his way to the rim in a mass of bodies.

Passing is where he shines, ranking in the 97th percentile among bigs in assists per usage. Growing up in Europe with a father who made him play point guard as a kid is paying off. He's had a couple of games with seven assists in limited minutes. He's above average in offensive rebounding, ranking in the 65th percentile.

His problem on offense is turnovers where he is in the 14th percentile. Part of that is due to his confidence in his ability to thread the needle with his passes and his aggressiveness passing the ball into tight spaces. The upside is more assists; , the downside is more turnovers. But he has not played many NBA minutes and didn't play in college so as he gets more experience his judgement will improve and we'll see fewer turnovers on low percentage passes, I'm sure.

Defensively he has some huge strengths. He's in the 96th percentile among bigs in block percentage; Allen is in the 86th percentile. The Cavs are in great shape going forward in the area of rim protection. Hart is average in steal percentage.

He also excels on the defensive glass, ranking in the 96th percentile. But despite being a terrific shot blocker and defensive rebounder the Cavs are only 1.2 points better defensively when he's in the game.

Part of that is due to his propensity to commit fouls - he's in the 14th percentile. Again, I think this is due to being inexperienced and overaggressive. He needs to learn how to play solid defense with less contact. He needs to keep his hands back, move his feet better, and disrupt or block the shot using his length without fouling.

These numbers will change as we finish the season but I think they show a pretty good picture of where this kid is right now because the numbers match what we're seeing. He's excellent offensively with a high shooting percentage, outstanding passing for a big, and he's above average on the offensive glass. He just needs to reduce the turnovers and maybe develop a better low post game for when he's isolated against a guard or small forward after a switch.

Defensively he's just OK, but his shot blocking and rebounding is right at the top. I think he's a little slow reacting to the dribble penetration and the quicker wings and guards can blow by him for layups. He also fouls too much. I think it's a matter of him better understanding how much space to give smaller players and not to crowd them which results in blow-bys. Make them take a jump shot and then contest it using his length to hopefully hurry or alter the shot and force a miss.

As for him putting up big numbers against bench players, well, bench points count just as much as starters' points. If your starting five are all -2 to +2 while your bench are all +8 to +10, then you win. The Cavs have no superstars and they may not have any in the foreseeable future. Kawhi Leonard and guys like him are not coming here. So the approach may have to be putting together a starting unit that can just hold their own and winning the game off the bench with guys like Hartenstein, Nance, Wade, and Prince dominating the opponents' bench.
 
That is some great analysis @Wham with the Right Hand

I want to add one great thing about his screening ability. He makes those great screens that doesn’t get a foul and creates such great space for our guards penetration.

His passing is very exceptional. Am very surprised of his game.
 
Makes a better IMPACT for our team that Drummond did. Why? Because he plays his role. He sets screens for his teammates and doesn't try to go out of his comfort zone offensively. Not saying he's a better basketball player than Drummond, but I absolutely could argue he impacts our team in a positive way more consistently than Drummond. You just never knew when Drummond was going to go on one of his 'lets get mine' trips.

I like this kid.
 
Footwork isn’t everything but it’s probably 90% or more (defensively speaking). When you can’t move your feet quickly enough to get in proper position as the offensive player moves with the ball then you either let the dude go to the rim or you foul via a block or swiping him with an arm.

If a player has slow feet there’s not much anyone can do to change that.
 
Hart has only played 151 minutes with the Cavs, which equates to five games of 32 minutes, so it's still very early, but it's interesting to look at where he ranks compared to other bigs around the league. I used cleaningtheglass.com which ranks each player in various categories compared to others who play the same position.

In the on court/off court category, the Cavs are outscoring their opponents by 15.4 points per 100 possessions with Hartenstein on the floor. This ranks him in the 98th percentile among NBA bigs. Does that mean he's one of the top bigs in the league? No, but it means the Cavs do very well when he's on the court. However, we have to consider two confounding variables. One is the fact that he plays a lot of his minutes against the opponents' bench players since Hart usually comes off the bench. Two, the Delly factor.

The Cavs are outscoring opponents by 20.0 points with Delly on the floor, by far the highest on the team. Since Hartenstein and Delly usually come in together you have to wonder if Hart is just riding on the Delly train and how much he is personally responsible for that +15. If Hart were starting and Allen was coming off the bench would Allen be the one who is +15? ( Allen is -1.4, by the way).

That +15.4 is mostly offense; the Cavs are 14.2 points better offensively and 1.2 points better defensively with AH on the floor.

Breaking it down, AH is in the 73rd percentile in points per shot attempt. I think that's mostly because he doesn't force crazy shots (like JaVale McGee, who was in the 31st percentile). He only shoots when he has a high percentage look. HIs effective field goal percentage is in the 84th percentile.

AH is in the 76th percentile in shots at the rim and the 86th percentile in the short mid-range (4' to 14') area. He has a nice push shot from the middle of the lane that he gets off quickly and accurately. He is great at drawing fouls, ranking in the 88th percentile in getting fouled on the shot attempt.

One thing I like about AH and perhaps a reason his EFG% is so high is he understands when he doesn't have a good shot. For example, whenever Tristan Thompson grabbed an offensive rebound he would force it back up, even if he were surrounded. It's like he figured that since he worked so hard to get the ball he earned a shot and was going to take it. He used to get stripped or blocked on put-backs a lot, which negated the offensive rebound and frustrated the hell out of me.

Hartenstein grabs offensive rebounds and if he is in a crowd he'll frequently kick it out for a 3-point shot or a new play rather than trying to plow his way to the rim in a mass of bodies.

Passing is where he shines, ranking in the 97th percentile among bigs in assists per usage. Growing up in Europe with a father who made him play point guard as a kid is paying off. He's had a couple of games with seven assists in limited minutes. He's above average in offensive rebounding, ranking in the 65th percentile.

His problem on offense is turnovers where he is in the 14th percentile. Part of that is due to his confidence in his ability to thread the needle with his passes and his aggressiveness passing the ball into tight spaces. The upside is more assists; , the downside is more turnovers. But he has not played many NBA minutes and didn't play in college so as he gets more experience his judgement will improve and we'll see fewer turnovers on low percentage passes, I'm sure.

Defensively he has some huge strengths. He's in the 96th percentile among bigs in block percentage; Allen is in the 86th percentile. The Cavs are in great shape going forward in the area of rim protection. Hart is average in steal percentage.

He also excels on the defensive glass, ranking in the 96th percentile. But despite being a terrific shot blocker and defensive rebounder the Cavs are only 1.2 points better defensively when he's in the game.

Part of that is due to his propensity to commit fouls - he's in the 14th percentile. Again, I think this is due to being inexperienced and overaggressive. He needs to learn how to play solid defense with less contact. He needs to keep his hands back, move his feet better, and disrupt or block the shot using his length without fouling.

These numbers will change as we finish the season but I think they show a pretty good picture of where this kid is right now because the numbers match what we're seeing. He's excellent offensively with a high shooting percentage, outstanding passing for a big, and he's above average on the offensive glass. He just needs to reduce the turnovers and maybe develop a better low post game for when he's isolated against a guard or small forward after a switch.

Defensively he's just OK, but his shot blocking and rebounding is right at the top. I think he's a little slow reacting to the dribble penetration and the quicker wings and guards can blow by him for layups. He also fouls too much. I think it's a matter of him better understanding how much space to give smaller players and not to crowd them which results in blow-bys. Make them take a jump shot and then contest it using his length to hopefully hurry or alter the shot and force a miss.

As for him putting up big numbers against bench players, well, bench points count just as much as starters' points. If your starting five are all -2 to +2 while your bench are all +8 to +10, then you win. The Cavs have no superstars and they may not have any in the foreseeable future. Kawhi Leonard and guys like him are not coming here. So the approach may have to be putting together a starting unit that can just hold their own and winning the game off the bench with guys like Hartenstein, Nance, Wade, and Prince dominating the opponents' bench.
I think that might be the longest article ever written about Hartenstein ;-)

But definitely the most quality too!
 
Hart has only played 151 minutes with the Cavs, which equates to five games of 32 minutes, so it's still very early, but it's interesting to look at where he ranks compared to other bigs around the league. I used cleaningtheglass.com which ranks each player in various categories compared to others who play the same position.

In the on court/off court category, the Cavs are outscoring their opponents by 15.4 points per 100 possessions with Hartenstein on the floor. This ranks him in the 98th percentile among NBA bigs. Does that mean he's one of the top bigs in the league? No, but it means the Cavs do very well when he's on the court. However, we have to consider two confounding variables. One is the fact that he plays a lot of his minutes against the opponents' bench players since Hart usually comes off the bench. Two, the Delly factor.

The Cavs are outscoring opponents by 20.0 points with Delly on the floor, by far the highest on the team. Since Hartenstein and Delly usually come in together you have to wonder if Hart is just riding on the Delly train and how much he is personally responsible for that +15. If Hart were starting and Allen was coming off the bench would Allen be the one who is +15? ( Allen is -1.4, by the way).

That +15.4 is mostly offense; the Cavs are 14.2 points better offensively and 1.2 points better defensively with AH on the floor.

Breaking it down, AH is in the 73rd percentile in points per shot attempt. I think that's mostly because he doesn't force crazy shots (like JaVale McGee, who was in the 31st percentile). He only shoots when he has a high percentage look. HIs effective field goal percentage is in the 84th percentile.

AH is in the 76th percentile in shots at the rim and the 86th percentile in the short mid-range (4' to 14') area. He has a nice push shot from the middle of the lane that he gets off quickly and accurately. He is great at drawing fouls, ranking in the 88th percentile in getting fouled on the shot attempt.

One thing I like about AH and perhaps a reason his EFG% is so high is he understands when he doesn't have a good shot. For example, whenever Tristan Thompson grabbed an offensive rebound he would force it back up, even if he were surrounded. It's like he figured that since he worked so hard to get the ball he earned a shot and was going to take it. He used to get stripped or blocked on put-backs a lot, which negated the offensive rebound and frustrated the hell out of me.

Hartenstein grabs offensive rebounds and if he is in a crowd he'll frequently kick it out for a 3-point shot or a new play rather than trying to plow his way to the rim in a mass of bodies.

Passing is where he shines, ranking in the 97th percentile among bigs in assists per usage. Growing up in Europe with a father who made him play point guard as a kid is paying off. He's had a couple of games with seven assists in limited minutes. He's above average in offensive rebounding, ranking in the 65th percentile.

His problem on offense is turnovers where he is in the 14th percentile. Part of that is due to his confidence in his ability to thread the needle with his passes and his aggressiveness passing the ball into tight spaces. The upside is more assists; , the downside is more turnovers. But he has not played many NBA minutes and didn't play in college so as he gets more experience his judgement will improve and we'll see fewer turnovers on low percentage passes, I'm sure.

Defensively he has some huge strengths. He's in the 96th percentile among bigs in block percentage; Allen is in the 86th percentile. The Cavs are in great shape going forward in the area of rim protection. Hart is average in steal percentage.

He also excels on the defensive glass, ranking in the 96th percentile. But despite being a terrific shot blocker and defensive rebounder the Cavs are only 1.2 points better defensively when he's in the game.

Part of that is due to his propensity to commit fouls - he's in the 14th percentile. Again, I think this is due to being inexperienced and overaggressive. He needs to learn how to play solid defense with less contact. He needs to keep his hands back, move his feet better, and disrupt or block the shot using his length without fouling.

These numbers will change as we finish the season but I think they show a pretty good picture of where this kid is right now because the numbers match what we're seeing. He's excellent offensively with a high shooting percentage, outstanding passing for a big, and he's above average on the offensive glass. He just needs to reduce the turnovers and maybe develop a better low post game for when he's isolated against a guard or small forward after a switch.

Defensively he's just OK, but his shot blocking and rebounding is right at the top. I think he's a little slow reacting to the dribble penetration and the quicker wings and guards can blow by him for layups. He also fouls too much. I think it's a matter of him better understanding how much space to give smaller players and not to crowd them which results in blow-bys. Make them take a jump shot and then contest it using his length to hopefully hurry or alter the shot and force a miss.

As for him putting up big numbers against bench players, well, bench points count just as much as starters' points. If your starting five are all -2 to +2 while your bench are all +8 to +10, then you win. The Cavs have no superstars and they may not have any in the foreseeable future. Kawhi Leonard and guys like him are not coming here. So the approach may have to be putting together a starting unit that can just hold their own and winning the game off the bench with guys like Hartenstein, Nance, Wade, and Prince dominating the opponents' bench.

Great analysis, but i think you are being a bit kind on his fouling. It is why he was available in a trade, and he has already fouled out of a game in something like 20 minutes.

He cant be played for extended minutes because of the fouling, its a huge problem, but hopefully he can fix it. But he cant play anywhere close to 30 minutes a game because of the fouling.

That said he committed 1 foul in 13 minutes last night and had a great stat line and game for just 13 minutes. 8 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast 1 steal and 3 blocks. but he had his other Achilles heal pop up and had 4 turnovers.

That said he has been a pleasant surprise and i hope we keep him around.
 
Great analysis, but i think you are being a bit kind on his fouling. It is why he was available in a trade, and he has already fouled out of a game in something like 20 minutes.

He cant be played for extended minutes because of the fouling, its a huge problem, but hopefully he can fix it. But he cant play anywhere close to 30 minutes a game because of the fouling.

That said he committed 1 foul in 13 minutes last night and had a great stat line and game for just 13 minutes. 8 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast 1 steal and 3 blocks. but he had his other Achilles heal pop up and had 4 turnovers.

That said he has been a pleasant surprise and i hope we keep him around.

Sure, but fouling and turnovers are the areas most young players improve the most.
 
That is some great analysis @Wham with the Right Hand

I want to add one great thing about his screening ability. He makes those great screens that doesn’t get a foul and creates such great space for our guards penetration.

His passing is very exceptional. Am very surprised of his game.
Thank you, but I just put some numbers together that I found on line. As for his screen setting, there are no stats for that so you just go by how effective he is at rubbing off the defender without getting called for an offensive foul. Also, once the screen is executed, how well does the big man roll to the rim and finish if he gets the pass?

Allen seems to excel at the pick-and-roll - both phases. Hopefully AH can excel in this area as well if he doesn't already. I haven't really noticed.
 
Thank you, but I just put some numbers together that I found on line. As for his screen setting, there are no stats for that so you just go by how effective he is at rubbing off the defender without getting called for an offensive foul. Also, once the screen is executed, how well does the big man roll to the rim and finish if he gets the pass?

Allen seems to excel at the pick-and-roll - both phases. Hopefully AH can excel in this area as well if he doesn't already. I haven't really noticed.
He does a great job in rolling to the basket especially on the screens with Garland. Once he sets his frame and gives that space for Garland he immediately not just rolls to the basket but finds the open space where he can get the ball. I was very impressed with him. And even without the ball when Garland is penetrating he tries to move to an open slot underneath the basket or slightly below the FT. Garland has got a number of assists in both areas or easy for him to get shots.
 
No idea why he played 4 minutes after his strong performance since coming here.

especially considering the two worst players on the court last night were Larry Nance and Kevin Love.
 

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