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Isaiah Hartenstein: wowing people in Vegas

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Rich said:
No idea why he played 4 minutes after his strong performance since coming here.

especially considering the two worst players on the court last night were Larry Nance and Kevin Love.
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After his strong showing last night against the Pistons combined with Allen's lack of effort (possibly due to concerns about getting another concussion) I expect Hartenstein to get a lot of minutes as they close out the season.
 
He has the best sense of spacing around the key and paint
area of anyone on the Cavs. He sets good screens. He is a
good passer, just maybe not as good as he thinks. He gets
his share of rebounds. He offers at least some resistance
in the paint.

I wish he'd not double as much and stick around
the basket area on defense. Many of his fouls
come when guarding a quicker player away from
the basket.

He might not rock the world, but he shown enough
to be a rotation player on this club.

Even at his current level, his numbers accumulated in
the minutes play look damn good for a traditional
type center.

Doesn't look like the McGee deal was a giveaway.
 
Great point about his spacing. People have asking if the Cavs need a stretch 5 since the ball movement hasn't been the same since Allen came back, but the ball movement comes back when Hartenstein is on the floor.

I'm guessing the ball movement has been lacking since Allen came back because the player movement has been lacking. With Hartenstein out there last night you had Dellavedova and Sexton cutting to the basket again, and the ball finding them. They can't do that with Allen standing still and his man blocking the paint.
 
Hartenstein has probably showed enough to decline his player option for next year. Is he worth keeping, and for how much?
 
One of the big positives and kudos to the front office on getting Hartenstein and giving him some playing time.
They unearthed a diamond in the rough. All he needed was a chance.
18 mpg -8.5 points/58 % from the field, 6 rpg /2.5 assists and 1.2 blocks,,,thats damn impressive. Hope he works hard in the offseason
and we can get him locked into a reasonable 3 year contract..a definite asset going forward.
Not to mention the fact that his girlfriend is super hot. : )
 
WorldFreeB said:
One of the big positives and kudos to the front office on getting Hartenstein and giving him some playing time.
They unearthed a diamond in the rough. All he needed was a chance.
18 mpg -8.5 points/58 % from the field, 6 rpg /2.5 assists and 1.2 blocks,,,thats damn impressive. Hope he works hard in the offseason
and we can get him locked into a reasonable 3 year contract..a definite asset going forward.
Not to mention the fact that his girlfriend is super hot. : )
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I am all about that 5/$25M life, maybe 5/$30M. Just get him locked in. You can't teach height and the guy can pass too. He's a non-stiff big. You lock that up as for as long as you can at a reasonable rate.
 
I really like what I saw of Isaiah Hartenstein so I decided to do a little profile of him using the stats on the cleaningtheglass.com website which ranks players compared to others at their position around the league in terms of percentile. Obviously, a 50th percentile is average.

Hartenstein, who I will refer to as IH for ease of typing, is listed as a “big” so these percentiles are in relation to other bigs only.

Here are the key offensive numbers:

Usage rate: 77th percentile (how involved the player was in the offense)
Points per shot attempt: 62nd
Assists per usage rate: 94th
Turnover rate: 9th
Effective field goal percentage: 68th
2-point percentage: 62nd
Assisted rate: 34th (He was assisted on 78% of his buckets)

So what he have is a player who is pretty involved in the offense; more so than 3 out of 4 bigs. He excels in passing, ranking in the 94th percentile in assists per usage rate. He sets up at the elbow and really looks to pass at every opportunity.

However, all that passing comes with a price as his turnover rate is in the worst 10% among bigs. In his eagerness to get assists he throws too many passes that are stolen or can’t be handled. He needs better judgement, which should come with experience. He's played just over 1,000 NBA minutes, equivalent to about 30 games of 35 minutes per game. Less than half the season for a starting player.

He’s above average in shooting as indicated by his good numbers for field goal percentage and points per attempt. He doesn’t miss a lot of shots. However, he’s not great at creating his own shot. He is assisted on nearly four of his five field goals which is below average.

IH can improve his offensive game the most by getting better at recognizing when the pass is there and when to avoid trying to squeeze it in a tiny window. It would help if he developed a strong go-to move for when he has the ball with the shot clock expiring.

In terms of shot frequency, these are the key numbers:

At the rim: 41st percentile
Short mid-range: 91st percentile

IH likes that little floater from the middle of the lane.

Accuracy:

At the rim: 65th percentile
Short mid-range (4 to 14 feet): 79th percentile
Long mid-range (15 feet to 3-point line): 5th percentile

IH has a nice push shot from 4-8 feet that is very accurate and which he releases quickly. He’s above average finishing at the rim, but is even better with the short floater. He should avoid anything from 15 feet and beyond.

IH is a poor free throw shooter (22nd percentile) but is above average at drawing shooting fouls (61st percentile). He needs to improve his free throw shooting.

Defensively, IH ranks in the 91st percentile among bigs in block percentage and is in the 63rd percentile in steal percentage. He’s very active defensively.

However, he may be a little too aggressive as he is only in the 8th percentile in fouls. His eagerness to block shots and steal the ball results in a lot of fouls and he easily gets in quick foul trouble that limits his minutes and puts the opponent in the bonus.

IH is an excellent rebounder, even for a big, ranking in the 87th percentile on the defensive glass and 68th percentile on the offensive glass.

Bottom line is that the Cavs do better when Hartenstein is in the game. His on/off number is +8.3 - second highest on the team behind Dellavedova at +8.9.

Second is Garland at +5.7 followed by Nance +5.3, Prince +1.8, Love +1.6, and Allen +1.2. He is outstanding on the boards at both ends, dishes out a lot of assists for a big man, blocks shots and get steals at a higher rate than most bigs, and is an accurate shooter, although not really a shot creator for himself. He doesn't have much range but is very accurate from about 6 feet in.

If IH could dramatically reduce his turnovers, reduce his fouling without sacrificing too much in terms of blocks, steals, and offensive rebounds, and develop a couple of individual moves so he’s not so dependent on his teammates to get him the ball in position to score, I think he could be one of the better centers in the league.

With more experience his judgement in both passing and when to take chances on defense should improve, resulting in less turnovers and fouls. Those are his only two major problems, although his free throw shooting could be better. The fact that his Dad was a pro player who coached him from the time he was a little kid suggests that if he's not a good free throw shooter and mid-range shooter by now he probably never will be. That's just my opinion.

By the way, we got him for nothing. It’s not like JaVale McGee could have gotten us into the playoffs if we kept him.

Denver is 1-1 in the first round of the playoffs and McGee has yet to play a minute. I don't think McGee has had much if any impact on their season.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I really like what I saw of Isaiah Hartenstein so I decided to do a little profile of him using the stats on the cleaningtheglass.com website which ranks players compared to others at their position around the league in terms of percentile. Obviously, a 50th percentile is average.

Hartenstein, who I will refer to as IH for ease of typing, is listed as a “big” so these percentiles are in relation to other bigs only.

Here are the key offensive numbers:

Usage rate: 77th percentile (how involved the player was in the offense)
Points per shot attempt: 62nd
Assists per usage rate: 94th
Turnover rate: 9th
Effective field goal percentage: 68th
2-point percentage: 62nd
Assisted rate: 34th (He was assisted on 78% of his buckets)

So what he have is a player who is pretty involved in the offense; more so than 3 out of 4 bigs. He excels in passing, ranking in the 94th percentile in assists per usage rate. He sets up at the elbow and really looks to pass at every opportunity.

However, all that passing comes with a price as his turnover rate is in the worst 10% among bigs. In his eagerness to get assists he throws too many passes that are stolen or can’t be handled. He needs better judgement, which should come with experience. He's played just over 1,000 NBA minutes, equivalent to about 30 games of 35 minutes per game. Less than half the season for a starting player.

He’s above average in shooting as indicated by his good numbers for field goal percentage and points per attempt. He doesn’t miss a lot of shots. However, he’s not great at creating his own shot. He is assisted on nearly four of his five field goals which is below average.

IH can improve his offensive game the most by getting better at recognizing when the pass is there and when to avoid trying to squeeze it in a tiny window. It would help if he developed a strong go-to move for when he has the ball with the shot clock expiring.

In terms of shot frequency, these are the key numbers:

At the rim: 41st percentile
Short mid-range: 91st percentile

IH likes that little floater from the middle of the lane.

Accuracy:

At the rim: 65th percentile
Short mid-range (4 to 14 feet): 79th percentile
Long mid-range (15 feet to 3-point line): 5th percentile

IH has a nice push shot from 4-8 feet that is very accurate and which he releases quickly. He’s above average finishing at the rim, but is even better with the short floater. He should avoid anything from 15 feet and beyond.

IH is a poor free throw shooter (22nd percentile) but is above average at drawing shooting fouls (61st percentile). He needs to improve his free throw shooting.

Defensively, IH ranks in the 91st percentile among bigs in block percentage and is in the 63rd percentile in steal percentage. He’s very active defensively.

However, he may be a little too aggressive as he is only in the 8th percentile in fouls. His eagerness to block shots and steal the ball results in a lot of fouls and he easily gets in quick foul trouble that limits his minutes and puts the opponent in the bonus.

IH is an excellent rebounder, even for a big, ranking in the 87th percentile on the defensive glass and 68th percentile on the offensive glass.

Bottom line is that the Cavs do better when Hartenstein is in the game. His on/off number is +8.3 - second highest on the team behind Dellavedova at +8.9.

Second is Garland at +5.7 followed by Nance +5.3, Prince +1.8, Love +1.6, and Allen +1.2. He is outstanding on the boards at both ends, dishes out a lot of assists for a big man, blocks shots and get steals at a higher rate than most bigs, and is an accurate shooter, although not really a shot creator for himself. He doesn't have much range but is very accurate from about 6 feet in.

If IH could dramatically reduce his turnovers, reduce his fouling without sacrificing too much in terms of blocks, steals, and offensive rebounds, and develop a couple of individual moves so he’s not so dependent on his teammates to get him the ball in position to score, I think he could be one of the better centers in the league.

With more experience his judgement in both passing and when to take chances on defense should improve, resulting in less turnovers and fouls. Those are his only two major problems, although his free throw shooting could be better. The fact that his Dad was a pro player who coached him from the time he was a little kid suggests that if he's not a good free throw shooter and mid-range shooter by now he probably never will be. That's just my opinion.

By the way, we got him for nothing. It’s not like JaVale McGee could have gotten us into the playoffs if we kept him.

Denver is 1-1 in the first round of the playoffs and McGee has yet to play a minute. I don't think McGee has had much if any impact on their season.
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Great review!!! Someone here trashed the McGee trade because we supposedly gave him away for nothing, but I think it was a great trade!!!!!
 
his passing is what makes me like him possibly more than Allen and think they will somehow find a way to mess up and lose him to a better run org while overpaying Allen
 
I don't think Hartenstein needs to learn to do things he can't do now. He's already doing a lot of positive things that help the team win; rebounding, blocking shots, steals, high shooting percentage, and assists. It's the two big problem areas that need to be addressed.

If he can curb his hyper-aggressiveness on both ends that cause him to commit way too many fouls on defense and force too many low percentage passes on offense he'll be a pretty good center.

As opposed to a player like Okoro who is not rebounding or making 3-pointers at a high rate and needs to find a way to start doing those things.
 
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