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Isaiah Hartenstein: wowing people in Vegas

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Hartenstein is a very intriguing player.

Whams' overview of him is right on the money.

It can be tough evaluating a player coming to a bad team
during the season, particularly the covid one. And JBB
did him no favors with his usual puzzling decisions
on allocating minutes.

But there is no doubt to me that overall Hartenstein
outplayed Allen . I'm not saying he is necessarily
the better player, but he did his job on the court.
I love the fact that he constantly hustled and ran
the floor, something I wouldn't say about Allen.
He is also a physical presence on the court, something
Allen can't be right now.

IH can be too aggressive, but I'd rather have that
type of young player than otherwise.

I hope IH has a strong work ethic and that the Cavs
have an intelligent plan for his improvement.

Given the paucity of talent on the current roster, IH
merits a closer look. With some improvements on
his weaknesses and more game experience, he can
be an asset and earn 20+ minutes per night.
 
Unlike Windler (who I hope we trade to Venezuela this off season) I actually like this dude quite a bit…

Euro step needs to be polished up a tad..

 
Hartenstein is a very intriguing player.

Whams' overview of him is right on the money.

It can be tough evaluating a player coming to a bad team
during the season, particularly the covid one. And JBB
did him no favors with his usual puzzling decisions
on allocating minutes.

But there is no doubt to me that overall Hartenstein
outplayed Allen . I'm not saying he is necessarily
the better player, but he did his job on the court.
I love the fact that he constantly hustled and ran
the floor, something I wouldn't say about Allen.
He is also a physical presence on the court, something
Allen can't be right now.

IH can be too aggressive, but I'd rather have that
type of young player than otherwise.

I hope IH has a strong work ethic and that the Cavs
have an intelligent plan for his improvement.

Given the paucity of talent on the current roster, IH
merits a closer look. With some improvements on
his weaknesses and more game experience, he can
be an asset and earn 20+ minutes per night.
I am not sold on paying Allen a big contract. I like hartenstein game better
And he would be much cheaper.
 
I am not sold on paying Allen a big contract. I like hartenstein game better
And he would be much cheaper.

I don't think Hartenstein is ready to start, but Allen is. I do think it is possible Hartenstein has more upside, definitely offensively, but maybe defensively too.
 
I don't think Hartenstein is ready to start, but Allen is. I do think it is possible Hartenstein has more upside, definitely offensively, but maybe defensively too.
Ok. But why give Allen such a huge deal ?
I think $$ can be spent elsewhere at some point. Not sold on big $ on a center these days
 
Ok. But why give Allen such a huge deal ?
I think $$ can be spent elsewhere at some point. Not sold on big $ on a center these days

We have to see how it shakes out. The one thing Allen is really good at is playing with Darius. They have a mind meld type of connection and we may be comparing them to Paul and Tyson Chandler next year. Darius can get to the next level just developing that 2 man game.
 
Ok. But why give Allen such a huge deal ?
I think $$ can be spent elsewhere at some point. Not sold on big $ on a center these days

How do we spend money elsewhere? We wont get many free agents, This year the cap will be 109-110 or so. We have 95 million in salaries for about 12 players. We have a 11 million cap hold for Allen, but we can let him walk. Hartenstein has a cap hold too, but very low. We also have a rookie to sign that will be mid to early 1st round.

We have no cap room this year, but can use the 9.5 MLE.

The next year we will have to pay Sexton or let him walk, our rookie from this year and next year, last year of Kevin Love, anyone we signed with MLE, Hartenstein and if we let Allen walk, that is it. With Love and Sexton, all the rookie deals, and a MLE we wont have max cap room, and even if we did, we would way have to over pay, maybe give a max for someone like Jarrett level to come here.

It makes no sense to let Jarrett walk. Pay him hopefully 15 mill a year or so, 8 mill for Hartenstein, and use the MLE on someone. We need to hold on to any talent we have, not let it go. Cap space wont do us much good.
 
How do we spend money elsewhere? We wont get many free agents, This year the cap will be 109-110 or so. We have 95 million in salaries for about 12 players. We have a 11 million cap hold for Allen, but we can let him walk. Hartenstein has a cap hold too, but very low. We also have a rookie to sign that will be mid to early 1st round.

We have no cap room this year, but can use the 9.5 MLE.

The next year we will have to pay Sexton or let him walk, our rookie from this year and next year, last year of Kevin Love, anyone we signed with MLE, Hartenstein and if we let Allen walk, that is it. With Love and Sexton, all the rookie deals, and a MLE we wont have max cap room, and even if we did, we would way have to over pay, maybe give a max for someone like Jarrett level to come here.

It makes no sense to let Jarrett walk. Pay him hopefully 15 mill a year or so, 8 mill for Hartenstein, and use the MLE on someone. We need to hold on to any talent we have, not let it go. Cap space wont do us much good.

A sign and trade is always a possibility. If we sign and trade Allen somewhere else, it opens the door for our own sign and trade.

I would like to make a run at Markkanen so we have a stretch 5 which I think is going to be the harder part of finding a full set of centers for today's NBA. Finding a tradition center and/or rim runner to compliment a stretch 5 in the rotation should be an easier task.
 
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A sign and trade is always a possibility. If we sign and trade Allen somewhere else, it opens the door for our own sign and trade.

I would like to make a run at Markkanen so we have a stretch 5 which I think is going to be the harder part of finding a full set of centers for today's NBA. Finding a tradition center and/or rim runner to compliment a stretch 5 in the rotation should be an easier task.

I dont hate Markkanen, not sure I love him either though. I actually like Jarrett and want to keep both him and Hartenstein, i think Hartenstein could be a steal, and Jarrett is always moveable.

But we could sign and trade them for eachother, not sure i like the move, but it might be possible.
 
I dont hate Markkanen, not sure I love him either though. I actually like Jarrett and want to keep both him and Hartenstein, i think Hartenstein could be a steal, and Jarrett is always moveable.

But we could sign and trade them for eachother, not sure i like the move, but it might be possible.

Maybe we can get some addition value when signing and trading Allen that we won't have to give up to get Markkanen. I'm not sure that the Bulls would want Allen to do a simple two way sign and trade.

I also think the center position is about the players you have vs the one starter. I think having a good mix of talent at center helps with the different kinds of lineups you can put on the floor. A stretch 5 may be the hardest to find and may end up costing the most, even if he isn't going to play the most minutes. The oversupply of rim runners and traditional centers should make it easier to find good talent at a cheap price.
 
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I think people are de-valuing what Allen brings to the table and what his upside potential is. I also think Hartenstein is an excellent piece to have on board. It shouldn't be an either/or proposition, we should be able to keep both.

I think a JA/IH tandem would work out well over the longer term. The grass isn't always greener and IMO fans tend to covet players from other teams and devalue the ones that are here.
 
I dont like swapping allen for lauri. Lauri is basically Primo Pasta 2.0. Do not want even if he is free

Lauri isn't worth much. Allen is clearly the better player. I think you might be able to do something like Prince + 2nds to get him if you wanted him, but he is a reclamation project now, not something you give up a core piece for.
 
Markkanen shoots 48% from the field and 40% on 3's. I wouldn't mind having him. He could be very effective with the Cavs, who are the worst 3-point shooting team in the league. However, over the last three years with the Bulls his minutes have dropped from 32 to 30 to 26, so obviously the Bulls aren't thrilled with him.

He's a ball hog, attempting 10.2 shots in just under 26 minutes last year with 0.9 assists. If he gets the ball in his hands the shot is going up. I definitely would not trade anything for him but if he's a free agent I'd be interested, but only because the one thing he's pretty good at is what we need the most.
 
Lauri isn't worth much. Allen is clearly the better player. I think you might be able to do something like Prince + 2nds to get him if you wanted him, but he is a reclamation project now, not something you give up a core piece for.

I would be down for this. Prince and a couple 2nd round picks to sign and trade for Markkanen. If we had smaller expirings (instead of one huge one in Drummond) we might have been able to make some moves like that at the deadline to test drive some players.
 

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