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So Long, Jadeveon Clowney

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I agree that our roster, on paper, can hang with anyone. There are some giant question marks though. The largest of which (which may not be fair because every team has this question) is health. I actually think we have question marks at receiver outside of Landry, #2 corner, and question marks about how well our defense gels together, and if Woods can make them into an effective unit.

By the way, go back to the breakdowns I posted about what Mahomes likes to do on third downs. If you think Clowney looks stiff, those deep dropbacks are the perfect medicine, as you don't have to bend around a corner when you can basically run a straight line to the QB because he drops back 15 yards.

As for what team is built to beat us? I'm not sure. A team that takes away our run game would be the answer. The Chiefs did that in the AFCCG, but was it something they did, or just Stefanski's own self-inflicted wound?

Someone mentioned the Titans. I'd be surprised if we lost to this incarnation of Tennessee ever again. We know how to neutralize Derrick Henry, and that team already peaked.
 
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It's a one year prove-it deal for a decent chunk of money. The only reason that I "would not" like it is if Richardson gets cut because of it.

With that said, I do not know that Clowney is better than last year's healthy version of Olivier Vernon. In fact, to my eye, he absolutely is not. Unfortunately, healthy Vernon does not exist, and Clowney is better than Takk.

I just am not as excited as most people about this. Clowney can pass rush, but the lack of production over most of his career is concerning. I am all for pass-rush win rate - it is a much better stat than "sacks" or "pressures" - but at some point you would expect to see some production.

I think he will be good for us. But I am not at all convinced that our defensive line is better than when it was healthy last year. The good news, to me, is that the secondary is infinitely better, so the defensive line will have more time to produce.
 
It's a one year prove-it deal for a decent chunk of money. The only reason that I "would not" like it is if Richardson gets cut because of it.

With that said, I do not know that Clowney is better than last year's healthy version of Olivier Vernon. In fact, to my eye, he absolutely is not. Unfortunately, healthy Vernon does not exist, and Clowney is better than Takk.

I just am not as excited as most people about this. Clowney can pass rush, but the lack of production over most of his career is concerning. I am all for pass-rush win rate - it is a much better stat than "sacks" or "pressures" - but at some point you would expect to see some production.

I think he will be good for us. But I am not at all convinced that our defensive line is better than when it was healthy last year. The good news, to me, is that the secondary is infinitely better, so the defensive line will have more time to produce.
If you call Clowney and Vernon a wash. I'll take Myles a year off of COVID and Billings and a year older Elliot over Oginkobi last year. Clowney doesn't make it but I think our d line is better this year. We aren't putting Porter Gustin in for main minutes this year. Add in a probable rd 2 de pick
 
If you call Clowney and Vernon a wash. I'll take Myles a year off of COVID and Billings and a year older Elliot over Oginkobi last year. Clowney doesn't make it but I think our d line is better this year. We aren't putting Porter Gustin in for main minutes this year. Add in a probable rd 2 de pick
Do you know that Myles Garrett will recover for COVID? Jayson Tatum still needs an inhaler, Russell Westbrook says he cannot breath the same, and Kai Havertz (as well as a few other soccer players) still have long-term after-effects.

Billings+Jackson+Elliot+draft pick is definitely cumulatively better than Ogunjobi. The question, to me, is if Billings coming off a year without a snap is better than Ogunjobi? Or, if not, does Jackson and/or Elliot play better than Ogunjobi? I am inclined to agree with you, but I just do not think it is a certainty.

That is my only point. I get the excitement, I really do, but I just think it is far less of a certainty than a lot of people.
 
Do you know that Myles Garrett will recover for COVID? Jayson Tatum still needs an inhaler, Russell Westbrook says he cannot breath the same, and Kai Havertz (as well as a few other soccer players) still have long-term after-effects.

Billings+Jackson+Elliot+draft pick is definitely cumulatively better than Ogunjobi. The question, to me, is if Billings coming off a year without a snap is better than Ogunjobi? Or, if not, does Jackson and/or Elliot play better than Ogunjobi? I am inclined to agree with you, but I just do not think it is a certainty.

That is my only point. I get the excitement, I really do, but I just think it is far less of a certainty than a lot of people.
I'm with you but you could visibly see myles struggle post COVID. I think with further study of the disease potential use of ICS or B2 agonists like Tatum is using we could see improvements from him.

Also I'll be happier with Takk and Clowney as a 2nd line than anything we had last year.

But.definifely I'm not saying this is the best thing ever. Definitely should be cautious optimism but I do feel good.
 
Believe it or not, I think the Titans are actually worse on defense.

Until proven otherwise, I think it's the Ravens.

I think the first team on that list is the Browns. If this team doesn't beat itself, it is going to be very tough to beat.
 
Can someone explain the reasoning behind that kind of a deal structure? Future spreading out of any monies to lessen cap hit, does it put us in an advantageous position after this year...? I dunno.
 
Can someone explain the reasoning behind that kind of a deal structure? Future spreading out of any monies to lessen cap hit, does it put us in an advantageous position after this year...? I dunno.

Yeah I’d like to know this too. I don’t fully understand voidable years. Are we going to be paying for him 5 years down the line or will it not count at all? And why would a player want to do this if it wouldn’t count at all?
 
everyone here hates him for whatever reason but Colin Cowherd said “Cleveland has a super bowl roster.”

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Yep, and we all know why.

The very first time, and every time after that they don’t look like a Super Bowl Champion, he gets to rag on Mayfield, ESPECIALLY if they don’t actually win the Super Bowl.

We know the agenda.
 
Can someone explain the reasoning behind that kind of a deal structure? Future spreading out of any monies to lessen cap hit, does it put us in an advantageous position after this year...? I dunno.
It helps us this year and hurts us next year, in short.

A signing bonus is always evenly spread out over the length of the contract. If you sign a 4 year deal with a signing bonus of 12mil, then each year has a cap hit of 3mil (12/4) from the signing bonus, plus whatever the base salary/roster/workout bonus is.

If you cut/void a player before the end of their contract, the remaining amount of singing bonus becomes a cap hit. So in the 4 year, 12mil example above, if you cut the player after 1 year, the remaining 9mil all goes on the next years cap.

So, with Clowney, his bonus is 4.5mil over 5 years, so 900k a year. So this year, his cap hit is 900k for the signing bonus plus the 5.5mil in base salary and other bonuses. So even though it's a 10mil contract for 1 year, we only pay 6.4mil of it this year. So, saves us 3.6mil.

However, once his contract voids, that 3.6mil goes on next year's cap. So we're basically borrowing cap space from next year in order to fit him in this year.
 
It helps us this year and hurts us next year, in short.

A signing bonus is always evenly spread out over the length of the contract. If you sign a 4 year deal with a signing bonus of 12mil, then each year has a cap hit of 3mil (12/4) from the signing bonus, plus whatever the base salary/roster/workout bonus is.

If you cut/void a player before the end of their contract, the remaining amount of singing bonus becomes a cap hit. So in the 4 year, 12mil example above, if you cut the player after 1 year, the remaining 9mil all goes on the next years cap.

So, with Clowney, his bonus is 4.5mil over 5 years, so 900k a year. So this year, his cap hit is 900k for the signing bonus plus the 5.5mil in base salary and other bonuses. So even though it's a 10mil contract for 1 year, we only pay 6.4mil of it this year. So, saves us 3.6mil.

However, once his contract voids, that 3.6mil goes on next year's cap. So we're basically borrowing cap space from next year in order to fit him in this year.
To add, the hope is the cap recovers next year (and it should), so this 3.6 next year isnt nearly as big of a deal this year, when it would effectively push the browns over the cap.

One of the guys that follows this a bit more closely than I can probably answer this, but I imagine that the browns are probably within the salary cap at this point by a whisker
 
Are we ready for some salary cap limbo?

 
Can someone explain the reasoning behind that kind of a deal structure? Future spreading out of any monies to lessen cap hit, does it put us in an advantageous position after this year...? I dunno.
It does the exact opposite. You lower your available funds in the future in order to squeeze more into this year.

It's minimal in this situation, so it really doesn't matter. Probably better to do this than to lose leverage and have to restructure/cut someone.

ETA: See @col63onel above for a more in-depth breakdown. He nailed it.
 

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