So Long, Jadeveon Clowney

[B Mac]

That rookie pool number seemed incorrect to me, but someone actually asked the same question and here was his response:

 

[NorthCoastBias]

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I hate that first play. I think we're going to be in a bad situation if we're standing up Clowney as a linebacker.

On the second play, you're right. #1 overall pick Jadeveon Clowney is a mismatch against Dakota Dozier, who was a fourth-round pick out of Furman, cut by the Jets, and has a PFF grade of 44.

If we have better options outside, sure, let's spice it up on third down. I can see plays where our lambo package has Takk on the outside and Clowney inside. But, I wouldn't go to it with regularity based on our current personnel.

 

[Douglar]

Anyone know how many sacks he needs to get his performance bonus ?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Check out the newly signed veteran with a soft recruit:

 

[Los216]

For all the talk about his durability, Clowney has only missed 4 more games through his first 4 seasons than Myles Garrett has.

 

[Lee]

Can someone explain the reasoning behind that kind of a deal structure? Future spreading out of any monies to lessen cap hit, does it put us in an advantageous position after this year...? I dunno.

If its a 5 year deal, we have to pay .9 mill a year on the deal for the next 5 years. We are using future cap to pay him now.

Roster bonus gives us flexibility if he gets hurt plus can be split over this year and next year.

But its 3.9 or 4.4 mill this year depending how they treat the roster bonus, and possible 6.4 if he reaches the 2 bonuses and we decide to push as much on this year as possible.

I am guessing we had about 6.5 in cap space.

Means we signed him and dont need to restructure anyone, doesnt mean we wont, but he will count .9 mill against our cap the next 4 years.

This deal tells me we are going for it all this year.

 

[col63onel]

One of the guys that follows this a bit more closely than I can probably answer this, but I imagine that the browns are probably within the salary cap at this point by a whisker

If you include projected rookie salaries, it's within a couple million.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If its a 5 year deal, we have to pay .9 mill a year on the deal for the next 5 years. We are using future cap to pay him now.

Roster bonus gives us flexibility if he gets hurt plus can be split over this year and next year.

But its 3.9 or 4.4 mill this year depending how they treat the roster bonus, and possible 6.4 if he reaches the 2 bonuses and we decide to push as much on this year as possible.

I am guessing we had about 6.5 in cap space.

Means we signed him and dont need to restructure anyone, doesnt mean we wont, but he will count .9 mill against our cap the next 4 years.

This deal tells me we are going for it all this year.

Nope.

It's five years so that 80% of the signing bonus hits next year after the contract is voided, instead of it being split 50/50 if it were only two.

 

[Lee]

Nope.

It's five years so that 80% of the signing bonus hits next year after the contract is voided, instead of it being split 50/50 if it were only two.

Sorry, i stand corrected, i forgot about that, we re using 3.6-4,6 of next years room to sign him for this year.

 

[Jack Brickman]

For all the talk about his durability, Clowney has only missed 4 more games through his first 4 seasons than Myles Garrett has.

Does that include Garrett's suspension? Because if so, that's a very unfair comparison.

 

[col63onel]

That rookie pool number seemed incorrect to me, but someone actually asked the same question and here was his response:

That’s for the offseason when only the top 51 count.

We still have to be under the cap with all 53 by season’s end.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

That’s for the offseason when only the top 51 count.

We still have to be under the cap with all 53 by season’s end.

I thought we have to be under the cap at all times--not just by the season's end.

Once the season is underway, a contract will not (should not) be approved by the league if it puts a team over the cap.

Any team that circumvents the rules to go over the cap during the season will likely face penalties.

"If a team goes over the salary cap, they will face penalties for violating or going around the salary cap regulations. The teams will be fined up to $5 million for each violation. The franchise can also have contracts canceled and lose their draft picks."

 

[Lee]

I thought we have to be under the cap at all times--not just by the season's end.

Once the season is underway, a contract will not (should not) be approved by the league if it puts a team over the cap.

Any team that circumvents the rules to go over the cap during the season will likely face penalties.

"If a team goes over the salary cap, they will face penalties for violating or going around the salary cap regulations. The teams will be fined up to $5 million for each violation. The franchise can also have contracts canceled and lose their draft picks."

Look how far NOLA was over the cap and had to make adjustments before seasons end. The rule of 51 is applied at the beginning of the season, the 53 rule only comes into play at the end, so all of the other cap hits dont cost until end of season.

Basically you get to play under 51 and any cut players bonus, but you have to pay the piper on all 53 by seasons end. June 1st is always a big day because if you release a play before the June 1st cuts you can spread out over 2 years.

Its all crap and complicated, but for now we only have to worry about the 51.

 

[col63onel]

I thought we have to be under the cap at all times--not just by the season's end.

Once the season is underway, a contract will not (should not) be approved by the league if it puts a team over the cap.

Any team that circumvents the rules to go over the cap during the season will likely face penalties.

"If a team goes over the salary cap, they will face penalties for violating or going around the salary cap regulations. The teams will be fined up to $5 million for each violation. The franchise can also have contracts canceled and lose their draft picks."

Yes, but what counts against the cap is 'different' is the offseason. Only the top 51 contracts count right now. Browns currently have 76 guys signed for 2021. Some teams are over 80. If we counted all our guys contracts, we'd be 7mil OVER the cap right now, and that doesn't count rookies.

But 20-30 of the 76 them have minimum contracts and no dead money, so when a large chunk of them don't make the roster, we shave enough to get the entire 53 man roster under the cap by season's start.