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Who is All-Star Jarrett Allen's Favorite DS9 Character?

  • The Emissary, Captain Benjamin Lafayette Sisko

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Evil Cat Suited Kira

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Weyoun

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Legate Damar

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • Quark

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Odo

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Gul Dukat

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Chancellor of the Klingon High Council Jim Chones

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Elim Garak

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • There are too many great characters!

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
    37
The advantage Clint had over JA was the number of shooters they had spacing the floor for his partnership with Trae Young on offense. I have Clint clear over JA due to his activity overall and doesn't get dominated by stronger players like JA does. He's 4 years younger so maybe he can work on his body? Giving offensively limited bigs that kind of money makes me nervous either way but 18 million per seems reasonable however I would pass on 25 million per season.

With respect to your point about Garland/JA I saw this encouraging tweet:


That's a cool stat. Didn't know this. Darius is at a steep drop off
 
I dont disagree, but often young players get paid more for potential than reality. I dont think we are in a position to let Allen walk. While i dont want to bid against ourselves, Allen is already a good...not great...but good athletic defensive big man that potentially could develop a jumper like Ibaka. He will never have the strength of Ibaka, so not making that comparison, just using him (and Nance) as examples of big men that learned to shoot 3's midway through career.

I don't think we should let Allen walk but I do think we have to factor in the need for a stretch 5. Allen adding a 3pt shot would be nice but I think we are going to see the center position evolve like the PF position did, where the volume of 3 pt shots taken by the position increase alot. I also think that creates alot of uncertainty of how the position will evolve into.

I just wonder what kind of offer sheets Allen will get if the Cavs let it get that far. I think it's wiser for the Cavs wait for offer sheets. Even a front loaded or 3 year offer sheet wouldn't be bad for the Cavs.
 

I like this stat. Considering he had less than half a season with JA and that he essentially split playmaking duties with a guy who wanted to do the exact same thing he does in this offense in Sexton, having half of Trae's production is not bad.

Consider Trae Young has both Capela and Collins who he can get this stat with out of PNR and that he had both of them all season.

This is encouraging, honestly.

You want to not just keep JA so he and Darius can continue growing at this, but you want to add either Mobley, Barnes or Kuminga who all could be above the rim finishers off the PNR just as well as JA can and now we're cooking with hot grease.
 
Paying this guy 110 million would be one of the stupidest moves in franchise history. Koby needs fired before he can make such an asinine mistake.
 
I don't think we should let Allen walk but I do think we have to factor in the need for a stretch 5. Allen adding a 3pt shot would be nice but I think we are going to see the center position evolve like the PF position did, where the volume of 3 pt shots taken by the position increase alot. I also think that creates alot of uncertainty of how the position will evolve into.

I just wonder what kind of offer sheets Allen will get if the Cavs let it get that far. I think it's wiser for the Cavs wait for offer sheets. Even a front loaded or 3 year offer sheet wouldn't be bad for the Cavs.

Love said Hartenstein can shoot, but he is too much of a spaz. I dunno if it is true, but they should lock him up cheap if possible.
 
Clint Capela at 23 yrs old signed for 5yr/80 with incentives that can get him to 90. This was after being a major contributor to a team who had just gone to back to back WCF's and had the league MVP already in place.

That's my comp for these discussions and we can have a conversation from there on numbers.
 
I like this stat. Considering he had less than half a season with JA and that he essentially split playmaking duties with a guy who wanted to do the exact same thing he does in this offense in Sexton, having half of Trae's production is not bad.

Consider Trae Young has both Capela and Collins who he can do get this stat with out of PNR and that he had both of them all season.

This is encouraging, honestly.

You want to not just keep JA so he and Darius can continue growing at this, but you want to add either Mobley, Barnes or Kuminga who all could be above the rim finishers off the PNR just as well as JA can and now we're cooking with hot grease.

Agree, Capella's partnership with Collins in the front court is also huge and it doesn't hurt that he shot 40% from three across two seasons on about 3.4 attempts per game. Does Mobley have the potential to spread the floor early as a PF? The Cavs need a bunch of things (Koby mentioned athleticism and size) but they struggled to score and shoot from deep (dead last or close).
 
Agree, Capella's partnership with Collins in the front court is also huge and it doesn't hurt that he shot 40% from three across two seasons on about 3.4 attempts per game. Does Mobley have the potential to spread the floor early as a PF? The Cavs need a bunch of things (Koby mentioned athleticism and size) but they struggled to score and shoot from deep (dead last or close).

His form is really true and It takes a minute to get off but I believe as he develops to the speed of the game he will have Bosh/JJJ range. JJJ last night kept Memphis in that game with his early shooting from deep and we all remember how Bosh adapted his game once he got to Miami to make that work while Joel Anthony was inside doing dirty work. Bosh's first 3 years in the league he shot 13, 10 & 14 but then as the game dictated, he started letting it fly. I believe that from day one in the NBA, Mobley should be developed to be a faceup 4 on offense who can spot minutes at the 5 and in both cases, spread the floor with his shooting, passing and ability to put the ball on the floor on the perimeter.

He can effortlessly faceup from 18 which is as important as stretching to 3, and he doesnt look unnatural putting the ball on the floor and attacking from the perimeter in faceup, so I believe he will not only fit next to JA but would thrive and be a terror on the defensive end with his cat like agility on the perimeter and his length paired with Allen's length protecting the rim.
 
Paying this guy 110 million would be one of the stupidest moves in franchise history. Koby needs fired before he can make such an asinine mistake.
I guess it's a good thing he's not going to sniff $110 million then
 
I guess it's a good thing he's not going to sniff $110 million then

“In a word: Pricey,” Fedor wrote. “I’d expect Allen’s total number to creep close to $100 million, maybe even a bit north of that. Even though he’s a restricted free agent and the Cavs have sent clear signals that Allen isn’t going anywhere, the 22-year-old center will be one of the top free-agent targets. He’s a no-maintenance, ascending big who fits the modern era because of the vertical spacing he creates and a willingness to thrive without having plays for him. He also impacts winning at a high level. Who wouldn’t want him? Well, aside from Brooklyn.”
 
“In a word: Pricey,” Fedor wrote. “I’d expect Allen’s total number to creep close to $100 million, maybe even a bit north of that. Even though he’s a restricted free agent and the Cavs have sent clear signals that Allen isn’t going anywhere, the 22-year-old center will be one of the top free-agent targets. He’s a no-maintenance, ascending big who fits the modern era because of the vertical spacing he creates and a willingness to thrive without having plays for him. He also impacts winning at a high level. Who wouldn’t want him? Well, aside from Brooklyn.”
If you think I put any stock in what Fedor says, you're mistaken.

If they give him 5 years, I'd guess his number is around $80 million, which is probably perfect for where he is right now as a player.
 
The advantage Clint had over JA was the number of shooters they had spacing the floor for his partnership with Trae Young on offense. I have Clint clear over JA due to his activity overall and doesn't get dominated by stronger players like JA does. He's 4 years younger so maybe he can work on his body? Giving offensively limited bigs that kind of money makes me nervous either way but 18 million per seems reasonable however I would pass on 25 million per season.

With respect to your point about Garland/JA I saw this encouraging tweet:

Interesting stat and even Garland didn’t play the full season plus JA and Garland didn’t even get to play together for a half a season so that is something that can be promising and to build on. I personally loved Garland and JA’s chemistry together and I felt that JA liked playing together with Garland. I feel that both of their games will improve with chemistry, time, and once we have an offseason to build more on the offense. We do need another shooter on the team that can help our core and it will definitely help Garland and JA for more space.
 
Is that Darius stat at all an indictment of Larry not rolling hard to the rim? I think so.

Nance stops short of the paint a lot
 

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