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You know what's funny to me?
When we were in similar positions with Lebron on the Cavs and needed to clear cap space in order to maneuver such deals, we got bent over and screwed doggy style. We had to give up 1st round picks and useful players. Like teams really took advantage of us.

Lebron on the Lakers? completely different story. I find that fascinating.
 

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You know what's funny to me?
When we were in similar positions with Lebron on the Cavs and needed to clear cap space in order to maneuver such deals, we got bent over and screwed doggy style. We had to give up 1st round picks and useful players. Like teams really took advantage of us.

Lebron on the Lakers? completely different story. I find that fascinating.

When did we salary dump a guy on a vet min deal and have to give up more than a second round pick?

In 2015, for example, we traded/dumped both Brendan Haywood and Mike Miller, and gave up a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Justin James was later selected) and a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers. This seems to be more or less in line with that.
 

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It's interesting that the expiring contract are far more value these days then second rounders (rightfully so)
Like this trade. Gave up nothing. Got a serviceable back up center and a second round pick which will be more valuable in years to come
 

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When did we salary dump a guy on a vet min deal and have to give up more than a second round pick?

In 2015, for example, we traded/dumped both Brendan Haywood and Mike Miller, and gave up a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Justin James was later selected) and a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers. This seems to be more or less in line with that.

Oh well, my memory sucks then.
 

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Oh well, my memory sucks then.

Not necessarily -- I'm actually asking. I don't remember that happening, but it may have.

In terms of the "we did this helps LBJ" narrative, it didn't help LBJ when we did something similar for Milwaukee, because Milwaukee is serious competition for the Lakers. The way I see it, Koby is basically playing international arms deal here -- he's willing to work with both sides as long as the Cavs make out on the deal. I think that's exactly what he should be doing.
 

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Not necessarily -- I'm actually asking. I don't remember that happening, but it may have.

I mean, in terms of "this helps LBJ", it didn't help LBJ when we did something similar for Milwaukee, because Milwaukee is serious competition for the Lakers. The way I see it, Koby is basically playing international arms deal here -- he's willing to work with both sides as long as the Cavs make out on the deal.

I have this memory of always getting screwed in deals when we had Lebron. Especially when we tried to clear up cap space. I may very well be wrong.

My post was not about whether Koby is being charitable to the Lakers when working out deals with them or not. It was about the fact/feeling that teams operate differently when engaging in trade talks with the Lakers compared to when Lebron was on the Cavs.
 

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I have this memory of always getting screwed in deals when we had Lebron. Especially when we tried to clear up cap space. I may very well be wrong.

My post was not about whether Koby is being charitable to the Lakers when working out deals with them or not. It was about the fact/feeling that teams operate differently when engaging in trade talks with the Lakers compared to when Lebron was on the Cavs.

You may be right...although OKC got a few pounds of flesh in the AD trade.

One difference is that the Lakers really don't seem that desperate now, and could more easily walk away than could the Cavs. Prior to 2016, we had a lot of pressure to put a team around LBJ, and teams knew that. And unfortunately, the Durant/GSW deal put that exact same pressure right back on us after we won the championship.

Now that the Lakers won a championship, and nobody else made a Durant-esqe move, teams know that the Lakers will walk away if you try to screw them. So teams just do the best they can.
 
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It's not about whether we helped the Lakers or got screwed in the deal. We gave up nothing. McKinnie is a small forward on a team that has Okoro, Windler, and Cedi. Also, Nance played some 3 at the end of last season and that turned out to be their strongest lineup. We had absolutely no use for McKinnie, especially after Okoro was the pick. Hell, McKinnie barely played last year when we didn't have Okoro OR Windler.

Bell was the third PF behind Love and Nance. He might have gotten five minutes a game, if that.

Drummond is the only center on the roster. Getting McGee for two guys who wouldn't have played unless there was a spate of injuries at one position is a no-brainer unless you want Dre playing 48 minutes a game or putting Love or Nance at the 5 for 16 minutes.

Now the roster is set unless they want to bring Delly back but if not they can go with Garland, Sexton, Porter, and Exum at the guard spots. As for McGee, it's nice to have a seven-footer because, yes, the Cavs were the worst team in 23 years at defending shots in the restricted zone last year. Heck, I would not be shocked if McGee ends up playing more minutes than Dre if Dre insists on running around on the perimeter and jacking up threes while committing a lot of turnovers and giving up easy buckets on missed steal attempts.
 

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An added bonus with JaVale is that he brings some comic relief:


No one loves picking on JaVale more than Shaq. I guess they two have some sort of beef.

JaVale used to be like a baby giraffe running around the court. To his credit, he’s matured and has better court awareness and control of his body.
 
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I couldn't care less about the Lakers. We needed a legit backup center and we got one, plus a second round pick five years from now when the NBA landscape will no doubt be much different than it is now (will there even be two rounds in 2026?). What did we give up again?
 

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An added bonus with JaVale is that he brings some comic relief:


No one loves picking on JaVale more than Shaq. I guess they two have some sort of beef.


They have beef because Shaq thinks he can bully everybody just because he's bigger than most people...
 

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It's not about whether we helped the Lakers or got screwed in the deal. We gave up nothing. McKinnie is a small forward on a team that has Okoro, Windler, and Cedi. Also, Nance played some 3 at the end of last season and that turned out to be their strongest lineup. We had absolutely no use for McKinnie, especially after Okoro was the pick. Hell, McKinnie barely played last year when we didn't have Okoro OR Windler.

Bell was the third PF behind Love and Nance. He might have gotten five minutes a game, if that.

Drummond is the only center on the roster. Getting McGee for two guys who wouldn't have played unless there was a spate of injuries at one position is a no-brainer unless you want Dre playing 48 minutes a game or putting Love or Nance at the 5 for 16 minutes.

Now the roster is set unless they want to bring Delly back but if not they can go with Garland, Sexton, Porter, and Exum at the guard spots. As for McGee, it's nice to have a seven-footer because, yes, the Cavs were the worst team in 23 years at defending shots in the restricted zone last year. Heck, I would not be shocked if McGee ends up playing more minutes than Dre if Dre insists on running around on the perimeter and jacking up threes while committing a lot of turnovers and giving up easy buckets on missed steal attempts.

Mckinnie was helpful because he could play PF. That still might have been helpful this year since Nance and Love tend to get rest or injured through the season. Cedi wasn't effective at PF. It would also be nice to be able to keep Okoro and Windler at their natural position until the game slows down for them. It's not great for development if a player has to play out of position when they aren't even comfortable at their natural position in the NBA.
 

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Mckinnie was helpful because he could play PF. That still might have been helpful this year since Nance and Love tend to get rest or injured through the season. Cedi wasn't effective at PF. It would also be nice to be able to keep Okoro and Windler at their natural position until the game slows down for them. It's not great for development if a player has to play out of position when they aren't even comfortable at their natural position in the NBA.

Dean Wade, an actual PF who showed he could be an end of the bench guy, just like Mckinnie was. No big loss on either him or bell really.
 

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They have beef because Shaq thinks he can bully everybody just because he's bigger than most people...
Shaq is bigger than 99.9% of the population and no one is picking a fight with him. Being big and having access to a microphone doesn’t give him a right to trash whomever he pleases.
 
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