Welcome Jaylon Tyson

He reminds me of Paul pierce
While a joke, this one isnt so far off. He seems like he could be a poor man's Paul Pierce.

He is physical and the shooting has become legit. You can tell he is a hard worker, the 3-pointer is coming along nicely.

I would say a more dynamic, better shooting Okoro.
 
That pull up 3 with confidence and splashed showed a lot of potential in him offensively. When we drafted him, thought of long term solution in replacing LeVert. Definitely will be in part of the rotation next season. He is a player I’m looking forward to talk about next year with our core unit because of both on and off ball.
 
Looked to me like he belonged. He is very strong and not at all afraid of contact. Uses his elbows like Tatum and Branchero to get position..I think is plays in the NBA.. endurance will dictate success.. he was easily the best prospect playing..
 
So can anyone who watched tonight’s game tell us how good JT actually is?
I have a little different take than most. I think his future playing time depends on defense. He’s probably got too far to go to be a plus shooter or ball handler (he certainly can/needs to be better). But his size, strength, and athleticism should allow him to become a high level defender and rebounder. He needs to think more “Isaac Okoro” and less “Ty Jerome”. If we could trust him to be a stopper on defense, his cheaper salary would make Okoro tradable and he could slide right into those minutes.
 
I have a little different take than most. I think his future playing time depends on defense. He’s probably got too far to go to be a plus shooter or ball handler (he certainly can/needs to be better). But his size, strength, and athleticism should allow him to become a high level defender and rebounder. He needs to think more “Isaac Okoro” and less “Ty Jerome”. If we could trust him to be a stopper on defense, his cheaper salary would make Okoro tradable and he could slide right into those minutes.

This is good. He does really need to work on that ballhandling to try to become at least "slightly below average", because right now, he's horrible. Okoro is actually a pretty good roadmap in that regard. His ball handling skills, while not going to win any awards, are no longer a weakness.
 
I have a little different take than most. I think his future playing time depends on defense. He’s probably got too far to go to be a plus shooter or ball handler (he certainly can/needs to be better). But his size, strength, and athleticism should allow him to become a high level defender and rebounder. He needs to think more “Isaac Okoro” and less “Ty Jerome”. If we could trust him to be a stopper on defense, his cheaper salary would make Okoro tradable and he could slide right into those minutes.
While you are not wrong, I think Tyson has a lot more offense in his bag than Okoro, and perhaps more importantly is not bashful to use it. He actively looks for his shots and sets up others as well.

I do not think he is as good at shutting down hot players as Okoro is, but Okoro is elite that way. Tyson is bigger and more physical generally, which translates into rebounds and contact drawn in the paint. He doesn't get the calls yet, but I think that is where he is going.. third year in the league he is a 16 pts, 6 rebounds 3 assists kind of guy, who can defend 1-4.
 
While you are not wrong, I think Tyson has a lot more offense in his bag than Okoro, and perhaps more importantly is not bashful to use it. He actively looks for his shots and sets up others as well.

I do not think he is as good at shutting down hot players as Okoro is, but Okoro is elite that way. Tyson is bigger and more physical generally, which translates into rebounds and contact drawn in the paint. He doesn't get the calls yet, but I think that is where he is going.. third year in the league he is a 16 pts, 6 rebounds 3 assists kind of guy, who can defend 1-4.

I like JT, but this is an absurd expectation for him. There are few guys in the league doing this, let alone a third year player. I don’t think he’ll ever get enough minutes here to put up those kind of numbers, nor do I believe he’ll become a good enough ball handler or shooter to be efficient enough in his minutes to do that. As long as Mitchell, Garland, Mobley, Allen, and Hunter are here, there’s not going to be that kind of opportunity for a bench player in terms of scoring.

Just filtering by the numbers you put, there were only 27 guys in the league that did the statistics side of it.

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Basically all current or former All-Stars outside of a handful of guys. Also, 7 guys on the list played in 50 or fewer games.

Realistically, the only guys who can legitimately defend 1-4 on this list and have those kind of statistics are: Giannis, Tatum, Durant (kind of), AD, LeBron, Wemby, Siakam, Barnes, Bane, Mobley, and Deni.

Nearly all All-Star or All-NBA caliber guys. The two outliers would be Bane and Deni.

I’ll just be happy if he’s a guy that can play a quality 15 minutes a game. If we’re being realistic, his best case scenario is probably a slightly better and more consistent version of LeVert, who could score, facilitate, rebound, and defend a few positions.

That being said, even that might be a stretch as a ‘slightly better, more consistent version of LeVert’ would be a borderline All-Star caliber player.
 
That's why calculating by number data sucks...

So shave it down a bit..

If Tyson can earn the right to have 25-30 minutes per contest, I don't see where he can't contribute 13pts, 5 boards and a couple assists per game...

Clearly the key will be if he can work his outside shot to where it's lethal-- which is clearly not difficult by today's standards... His intangibles however is what separates him-- he's a willing and skilled passer (for a rookie)-- he moves well without the ball and he attacks and is physical...

He is somebody who can certainly be a rotational piece and productive as he continues to ascend (and of course put in the time in the off season)...

Whereas somone like Emoni Bates has none of that cause he's only concerned about one aspect of his game...

Tyson can play and he certainly seems to have the work ethic and mindset to get better in addition to the skills.... And honestly, again, if he can just get his handles at an average level, he'd be a problem off anyone's bench...
 
That's why calculating by number data sucks...

So shave it down a bit..

If Tyson can earn the right to have 25-30 minutes per contest, I don't see where he can't contribute 13pts, 5 boards and a couple assists per game...

Clearly the key will be if he can work his outside shot to where it's lethal-- which is clearly not difficult by today's standards... His intangibles however is what separates him-- he's a willing and skilled passer (for a rookie)-- he moves well without the ball and he attacks and is physical...

He is somebody who can certainly be a rotational piece and productive as he continues to ascend (and of course put in the time in the off season)...

Whereas somone like Emoni Bates has none of that cause he's only concerned about one aspect of his game...

Tyson can play and he certainly seems to have the work ethic and mindset to get better in addition to the skills.... And honestly, again, if he can just get his handles at an average level, he'd be a problem off anyone's bench...

This is why tossing out random numbers for expectations doesn’t work. Even if we take your ‘shaved down’ numbers, here are the guys averaging 5 or more rebounds and 3 or more assists in 20-30 mpg:

  • Westbrook
  • Draymond
  • Zion
  • Deni
  • Hartenstein
  • Podz
The bolded are the only ones to average 12 or more points.

So of the three players actually doing that in the entire league: one is a former MVP, one is a superstar level talent when healthy, and one plays on an awful team.

Never said he can’t be a great contributor off the bench. Just that if you’re expecting the kind of numbers that were laid out, you’ll be severely dissapointed.

25-30 min for any bench player on this team is going to be very difficult. That’s basically starter minutes for most teams. Probably need to get rid of both Okoro and Strus for that to happen.
 
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I think he'll benefit from being apart of an NBA off-season program. That seems to be where the real progress is made. He's got a lot to work in regards to his game but I feel physically he is also a work in progress. My hope is they focus on defense and three point shooting with him since those areas make for the most clear path to playing time and long-term success. From the few times I've seen him play, I kinda want him to be a little more lean. He has size to defend the wing which is nice. The rebounding and passing are a nice base to start with. If he improves his body, cardio, and functional strength then I could see him as a nice role player. Possibly a 3&D wing who rebounds well. The handle is what it is.
 
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