Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[Rich]

This is not a 30 minute a night rotation player.

This is an end of the bench journeyman level player.

 

[Pioneer10]

What's the opposite of a stat sheet stuffer?
stat sheet sewer
stat sheet strainer
stat sheet sapper

Whatever it is Isaac O-nonymous fits the bill. Honestly feel bad for him - seems like a good kid and I've stated numerous times I don't think he should be counted out just yet but man has anyone become a star without some flashes out there?

And Isaac O-nonymous shows up again. Coaching staff should at least a run a play for the guy to get him going as he's not going to be even a 3 and D guy if he ghosts the Cavs on the court again like he did for chunks of last season

 

[guitarguy]

I don't even know what to think about this guy. I don't get how no one has forced him to work on his weaknesses. I don't get what he's been working on...maybe just lifting?

Then again, maybe it's just too early to make any judgements. I think the side effect of getting a player like Mobley is it majorly highlights the talent gaps of some of other players.

 

[Ozone]

This is not a 30 minute a night rotation player.

This is an end of the bench journeyman level player.

lol thats what you take away from him not initiating offense on the preseason with better playmakers like Rubio on the floor or better offensive newcomers gifted usage? He is fine and was never going to be more than a 3rd option scorer in his prime that he is nowhere near yet. The kid plays with relentless energy trying to do what this coaching staff needs him to do as bad as it makes him look he keeps doing it anyway.
I give him a 25% chance of not being the starter on this team most games and being a far better on ball initiator like he showed to close last season whenever he doesn't have better initiators playing with him. If he always does then he wont be anything more than work in progress slasher who needs to be a better shooter before this coach is giving him the green light to jack it up with far better options around him right now.

 

[benchplayer]

I don't even know what to think about this guy. I don't get how no one has forced him to work on his weaknesses. I don't get what he's been working on...maybe just lifting?

Then again, maybe it's just too early to make any judgements. I think the side effect of getting a player like Mobley is it majorly highlights the talent gaps of some of other players.

I know its early in his career, but as of right now, he can't shoot and has no handles. He's no where near being ready to be a starting shooting guard. With said I don't trust JBB to develop these young Players.

 

[Ozone]

I know its early in his career, but as of right now, he can't shoot and has no handles. He's no where near being ready to be a starting shooting guard. With said I don't trust JBB to develop these young Players.

Okoro is not a guard but he can defend them lol he is a forward with out of the gym hops a better than average ball iq ( even though it does not look like it on this crap preseason ensemble cast) and it seems apparent to me all the hate towards him is more about the problem with Altman thinking the rebuild would take longer. Okoro needs at least a full 2nd season before he should be treated like a bust because he isn't that yet.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Fedor stated on multiple occasions in his piece this morning that some in the Cavs organization see Okoro long-term as a 2 and not a 3. As someone who is perceived as a mouthpiece for the Cavs, I love to hear it. I think Okoro is miscast as a 3 and is only being played there because the Cavs have done an awful job at actually obtaining NBA quality wings.

Cleveland Cavaliers’ roster breakdown: Assessing each player and their role

New players. New roles. New starting lineup. New offensive philosophy -- fast, free and fun. New attitude. Heightened expectations.

t.co

 

[bs80]

Fedor stated on multiple occasions in his piece this morning that some in the Cavs organization see Okoro long-term as a 2 and not a 3. As someone who is perceived as a mouthpiece for the Cavs, I love to hear it. I think Okoro is miscast as a 3 and is only being played there because the Cavs have done an awful job at actually obtaining NBA quality wings.

Cleveland Cavaliers’ roster breakdown: Assessing each player and their role

New players. New roles. New starting lineup. New offensive philosophy -- fast, free and fun. New attitude. Heightened expectations.

t.co

Ugh, what really sucks is that they passed on a guy like Halliburton because we already had Garland and Sexton, yet drafted a guy whom as it turns out is best suited to replace half of SexLand, not complement it. Nothing against Okoro, just really bummed with our FO on this one.

ETA: let this be a lesson moving forward: if you're gonna pass on the BPA because of positional need, then you better be fucking sure that the non-BPA dude you end up taking can adequately fill that positional need.

To be clear, I don't hate our FO. I just really hate how that 2020 draft went down. I'm rooting super hard for Isaac to prove me wrong though!

 

[Randolphkeys]

Fedor stated on multiple occasions in his piece this morning that some in the Cavs organization see Okoro long-term as a 2 and not a 3. As someone who is perceived as a mouthpiece for the Cavs, I love to hear it. I think Okoro is miscast as a 3 and is only being played there because the Cavs have done an awful job at actually obtaining NBA quality wings.

Cleveland Cavaliers’ roster breakdown: Assessing each player and their role

New players. New roles. New starting lineup. New offensive philosophy -- fast, free and fun. New attitude. Heightened expectations.

t.co

A lot of people on RCF should pat themselves on the back. The folk who frequent Twitter attacked anybody who mentioned this through Okoro's rookie year, but it's true. He needs to get a consistent shot from the outside, but his future has always been at guard.

 

[Cavatt]

I'm waiting. I think he is too passive and that is a big surprise for me. I thought he was a very aggressive player.

He has more he hasn't shown and he is the rawest rookie we have drafted. Mobley is already ahead of him in adjusting to the speed of the game.

He was sick enough to miss time right before pre-season started. I am going to give it some time and see what happens. I know people want him to start at the 2, but I think playing with Rubio is probably the best thing for him

 

[Lee]

A lot of people on RCF should pat themselves on the back. The folk who frequent Twitter attacked anybody who mentioned this through Okoro's rookie year, but it's true. He needs to get a consistent shot from the outside, but his future has always been at guard.

The thing is, I dont think the reason to put Sexton on the bench has as much to do with Okoro, its just a better position for Sexton. Sexton has 6th man of the year type skills, but really isnt a good starting SG.

As for Okoro, he really isnt a SF, but needs to develop a shot to be a good SG. Okoro is starting his 2nd year and that could happen, but we really need a SF and while Lauri is by far the best player we have that we are thinking to put there, he is not a SF either.

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The thing is, I dont think the reason to put Sexton on the bench has as much to do with Okoro, its just a better position for Sexton. Sexton has 6th man of the year type skills, but really isnt a good starting SG.

As for Okoro, he really isnt a SF, but needs to develop a shot to be a good SG. Okoro is starting his 2nd year and that could happen, but we really need a SF and while Lauri is by far the best player we have that we are thinking to put there, he is not a SF either.

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

Can't disagree with either point. Bottom line is that if a front office believes in drafting BPA for four straight years, at some point you have to pull the trigger on trades to create roster balance. I feel like the Cavs are the G-League franchise for the actual NBA, which is comprised of about ten teams. A roster that makes some sense on the floor together will change it.

 

[inliner311]

Ugh, what really sucks is that they passed on a guy like Halliburton because we already had Garland and Sexton, yet drafted a guy whom as it turns out is best suited to replace half of SexLand, not complement it. Nothing against Okoro, just really bummed with our FO on this one.

ETA: let this be a lesson moving forward: if you're gonna pass on the BPA because of positional need, then you better be fucking sure that the non-BPA dude you end up taking can adequately fill that positional need.

To be clear, I don't hate our FO. I just really hate how that 2020 draft went down. I'm rooting super hard for Isaac to prove me wrong though!

Haliburton was the perfect fit to round our guard rotation. He has the exactly the right attributes and skills to work with both Sexton and Garland. I think Okoro was a fit pick if you take into account KPJ. Without KPJ the pick of Okoro just doesn't seem to work though. We debated if KPJ was a SF or SG, the front office most likely hedged that by taking the defensive player that was either a SG or SF too.

 

[Lee]

Can't disagree with either point. Bottom line is that if a front office believes in drafting BPA for four straight years, at some point you have to pull the trigger on trades to create roster balance. I feel like the Cavs are the G-League franchise for the actual NBA, which is comprised of about ten teams. A roster that makes some sense on the floor together will change it.

I am guessing we are underwhelmed by what we are getting for Sexton.

I think we get a much, much better offer for Sexton if he can prove he can score 18-20 off the bench in a super sub type roll instead of scoring 24 starting as an undersized ball stopping sg.

Someone mentioned the underwhelming trade we got for Ricky Davis who we kept probably a year to long. I dont think Sexton is Ricky Davis bad, but he isnt far off and is being played out of position and we need to prove to other teams he is more than an offensive stopping undersized SG to get anything. I say bring Sexton off the bench to IMPROVE his trade value.

 

[guitarguy]

I don't care what position he plays. I just hope he improves a lot. And someone please make him dribble everywhere, every day, up and down stairs and on airplanes etc....with his left hand.

Ha.