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JEREMIAH OWUSU-KORAMOAH

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The fact that he refused to answer the question, and then made the post he did, speaks volumes.

To bring a little levity to the thread, how about this 2012 article about the worst drafts that year?

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"No. 1: Seattle Seahawks

After one of the worst picks in the first round I can ever remember, the Seattle Seahawks didn't draft any positions of need or draft for the future.


Pete Carroll is proving why he didn’t make it in the NFL the first time. Not only was Bruce Irvin a reach at No. 15, the Seahawks proved they were oblivious to their madness by celebrating their selection.

As if the day wasn’t bad enough, Seattle selecting Russell Wilson, a QB that doesn’t fit their offense at all, was by far the worst move of the draft. With the two worst moves of the draft, Seattle is the only team that received an F on draft day.

Grade: F"

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I mean that pretty much sums it up.
 
I'm not lashing out or angry.
Call it what you want, but you abandoned any attempt at rational discourse and attacked everyone who you felt disagreed with your viewpoint with this:
Browns usually hire in their scouting department around this time. Since most of you have seen all the tape you need to, know JOK is generational and the best coverage LB since Lavonte David. All of you should apply. We'll never miss on a draft pick again.
We're all going to have a better time if you can try to discuss the actual topic and arguments at hand, instead of attacking people the way you did.

Annoyed? Sure. I'm reflecting on the last 9 pages and in the threads before the draft. An overwhelming amount of the comments are JOK is a can't miss prospect, one of the best ever college LBs, rated higher than any LB in the last X years, can do things other LBs can't, being compared to Troy Polamalu. Still hasn't played an NFL snap and no one knows how that will translate to the pro level.
Of course there are a lot of positive takes. Of course there are hyperboles. Of course there are uninformed takes. Everything you want is out there, whether it's in this thread, on Twitter, or on the stool next to you at the Winking Lizard. But, again, that's not the issue at hand. You responded directly to a specific post. You don't get to move the goalposts and say you're vindicated because some other posts were over the top. Moving the goalposts like this makes it hard to ever have a fruitful conversation.

I get it, we're excited about someone we drafted, I've been there many times. But this entire site has the tendency to overrate prospects, just a taddddd bit for the NFL (Goff), Cavs (Cedi) and Indians (Daniel Johnson)
Same point as above. This has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand, where @Jordan felt he might be a generational prospect, and I let you know why some people might feel that way--because he does things I can't remember another linebacker doing this generation.

Sorry that I don't track prospects like others on the board and can breakdown whose great in man/zone coverage, different schemes. Never been that guy and never will. Usually I leave that to the scouting department and rest of the front office. I get content from draft articles/podcasts.
So... if your argument is that you're coming from a position of ignorance, why are you so quick to dismiss and attack the opinions of others? I totally get being less knowledgeable. That's not a fault or a bad thing. Hell, if anyone is coming from a position of ignorance and openly admits it, that's awesome. People who can admit their own faults and want to learn more, to engage and grow, are the best. That's kind of what we're all here for, right?

But I struggle to see why you have such a solid conviction against others when your bedrock is admittedly shaky. To tell people they're wrong, and JOK couldn't possibly be a generational talent, you should have the ability to back that up besides lazy appeals to authority that can be refuted with concrete examples or by calling them out for the logical fallacies they are.


Can already picture it now if JOK is struggling.... "Joe Woods isn't using him correctly. We have to bring someone in that knows how to utilize his strengths". I hope I'm wrong about him and he proves he is the prospect you all think he is. But when you go against an RCF darling, it's never pretty.
It's entirely possible. Gregg Williams took a player like Jabrill Peppers, who excelled attacking horizontally around the line of scrimmage, and dropped him 20 yards behind the defense. I hope Woods uses JOK correctly, but it's entirely possible that he doesn't.

That last sentence is, again, incredibly shitty. Nobody has a problem with you "going against an RCF darling." When you make bad arguments, you should expect to get responses.
 
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idk what to say. If you like a guy, he becomes overhyped. The guy was a top 20 prospect on nearly every draft expert's big board. Not sure why people have to take the fun out of talking about a good prospect.
 
I'm not lashing out or angry. Annoyed? Sure. I'm reflecting on the last 9 pages and in the threads before the draft. An overwhelming amount of the comments are JOK is a can't miss prospect, one of the best ever college LBs, rated higher than any LB in the last X years, can do things other LBs can't, being compared to Troy Polamalu. Still hasn't played an NFL snap and no one knows how that will translate to the pro level.

I get it, we're excited about someone we drafted, I've been there many times. But this entire site has the tendency to overrate prospects, just a taddddd bit for the NFL (Goff), Cavs (Cedi) and Indians (Daniel Johnson)

Sorry that I don't track prospects like others on the board and can breakdown whose great in man/zone coverage, different schemes. Never been that guy and never will. Usually I leave that to the scouting department and rest of the front office. I get content from draft articles/podcasts.

Can already picture it now if JOK is struggling.... "Joe Woods isn't using him correctly. We have to bring someone in that knows how to utilize his strengths". I hope I'm wrong about him and he proves he is the prospect you all think he is. But when you go against an RCF darling, it's never pretty.
Listen, I hope nothing I said is something you took offense to, that’s really not my intention.

I think we all acknowledge that the actual people making the decision know, at the very least, 3434x as much as I do about these prospects. And all of us fully accept that odds are good that we all acknowledge we’re wrong.

I may be speaking for myself here, but I’m just a dumb fan with too much free time on my hands. I fully acknowledge that he probably won’t be generational, but to my untrained eye, I think the likelihood is higher that he is compared to Simmons. Again, I’m more than likely wrong, but I’m just posting on a fan message board.
 
Listen, I hope nothing I said is something you took offense to, that’s really not my intention.

I think we all acknowledge that the actual people making the decision know, at the very least, 3434x as much as I do about these prospects. And all of us fully accept that odds are good that we all acknowledge we’re wrong.

I may be speaking for myself here, but I’m just a dumb fan with too much free time on my hands. I fully acknowledge that he probably won’t be generational, but to my untrained eye, I think the likelihood is higher that he is compared to Simmons. Again, I’m more than likely wrong, but I’m just posting on a fan message board.
I don't think a single one of us ever has issue with us being right or wrong. Even the best are wrong more often than they're right. How many picks in the NFL draft pan out? How many are perfectly correct? What's Belicheck's track record? How good of a WR evaluator is he?

For the sake of discussion, it's interesting as hell, and informative, to hear other people's viewpoints--to figure out what each of us sees, and to incorporate that into our understanding of these players so that we can be more knowledgeable as fans. I know for me, the more knowledgeable I become, the more interesting the game is and the more appreciative I become of the nuances.

Imagine a Seahawks fan pointing out that DK Metcalf had a blend of size, strength and speed at the position that we haven't seen since Megatron, and that person being shouted down and told DK couldn't be really good because he was picked 64th. That doesn't do anyone any good, and certainly doesn't help bolster the conversation.
 
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idk what to say. If you like a guy, he becomes overhyped. The guy was a top 20 prospect on nearly every draft expert's big board. Not sure why people have to take the fun out of talking about a good prospect.

I saw him as high as ninth overall.
 
Good lord, let's pump the brakes. The kid hasn't taken a snap in the NFL and we're already throwing out "generational". I don't think anyone in the NFL had JOK rated higher than Simmons. Why? Because one went 8th overall and the other went 52nd. That's quite a big difference. If he was "generational", he would've gone top 10.

I'm excited we got him where we did. But the way everyone has been talking about JOK, you would think he's already got a gold jacket on the way. Majority of players don't pan out as we hope they do. Remember Aaron Curry? He was labeled the "safest" pick in the draft. Went 4th overall, lasted 4 years.

Simmons was portrayed as a "do everything" linebacker. He's substantially larger than is JOK. He (supposedly) could fit in any scheme at multiple positions. So he soared up draft charts even though it wasn't quite true.

JOK looks to be more of a niche guy who wouldn't fit every scheme. That alone drove him down in comparison to Simmons. We also don't know the impact the medicals had on his draft position . But I think the point @Jordan is making is that within that niche that takes advantage of his skills, JOK looks to be exceptional.
 

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah was a consensus first-round player in nearly every final mock draft and a top-25 player on many draft boards, but the swift Notre Dame linebacker plummeted all the way to the No. 52 overall pick in the 2021 NFL draft.​
Many speculated the fall was related to his lack of size or a truly defined position in an NFL defense. And while those likely contributed, Adam Schefter of ESPN brought up a different reason on Monday.​
Schefter reported that Owusu-Koramoah had an undisclosed heart issue that was discovered late in the draft process. He notes the doctors cleared him for full play.
The news of the heart issue, whatever it might ultimately be, does offer a more rational explanation why such a talented player would fall so far in the draft.​
After the Browns drafted Owusu-Koramoah in the second round, Cleveland GM Andrew Berry offered this when asked about any possible medical flags for the Irish LB,​
“I can’t begin to speculate in terms of what made him, I guess, allegedly drop, but I can say that we were very comfortable with him from a medical standpoint.”​
It is not unusual for players to have previously undiagnosed medical issues come to light during the medical evaluations in the pre-draft process. Owusu-Koramoah’s status should not give the Browns any worries.​
 
The Cavaliers discovered Embiid’s injury the same way. That injury did cause him to lose over a year but he’s fine now.
 

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