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I feel like many of your issues were addressed in my initial post because not once did I say it was wrong just because there’s a rule against it.

As I said, their use of cameras is most similar to having a mic or camera in an opposing team’s huddle during a basketball or football game.

What they were doing is not similar to scouting at all.

If teams knew that other teams were using cameras to steal signs, they would use more complex signs. You seem to think they should always be doing that, but the reality is that coaches don’t disguise their play calls in huddles, because nobody is watching or listening then without the use of illegal devices.
The other point is that human "eavesdropping" is predictable, and a comparatively easy risk to mitigate as long as you take some common-sense precautions. You know what other people can do, so you protect yourself. Guys grew up paying ball, and making sure other people couldn't hear talking or see signals. But technology is always advancing, so the risks become greater, and can get to the point where you have no idea what is safe, and what isn't. Satellites, drones, James Bond-ish mini cameras and microphones....

We all saw first hand the kind of advantage Houston reaped from using technology to gain a massive edge over the competition. Do we really want sporting events to be decided by who has the best in-game spying technology, versus who just has the better players on that day?
 
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I'll answer that question very simply: yes, yes it is.

Now, as to what punishment. Right now it looks like only FO and managers/coaches are being handed punishments, as well as teams via draft picks being taken away. Players themselves are being left out of any punishment. The commissioner did warn teams a few years ago, even citing the removal of draft picks as possible punishment. I think, much like PEDS, the punishment will evolve, becoming more strict and most likely adding players as ones that can and will suffer punishment. I also think this scandal will hit the breaks on this happening again, or at least any time soon.
Interesting to see that discussion about vacating games is getting serious legs.

I think it would be incredibly stupid and toothless - i.e. with college football, everyone saw the games happen. And in OHSAA sports, while I have no problem with handing the offending team an L with something like an ineligible player, as it's the AD's/coach's responsibility to square that away, giving the other team a W is a bit much, especially when the loss on the field is lopsided and it has a domino effect across playoff qualification in football.

Nor do I think it would happen, but the fact that it's part of the discussion to seemingly a much higher degree than, say, the Pats Spygate or Saints' Bountygate Super Bowls is pretty significant.
 

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He was going to be soooo good that this is the first time I have ever heard of him.

Guy is just trying to cash in.
 

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Hope he does cash in, fuck em.
 

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"Yes, Bolsinger is seeking unspecified damages, but they’re not all for himself. He wants the Astros to forfeit the roughly $31 million in bonuses from their ill-gotten World Series title, and for the money to go to charities in Los Angeles focused on bettering kids’ lives, as well as to create a fund for retired baseball players who need financial assistance. "
 

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I went and saw the Indians lose to the Astros in '17. I assume there is a class action lawsuit I can join?
 

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