WMD found in Iraq

[GreenLizard]

I think the United States should Disarm all of its Nuclear, Chemical and Biological warfare. United States shouldn't be allowed to posses any WMD either. (We have more than anyone ofcourse...and to date..the ONLY country to use nuclear weapons on civilians !)

 

[cdt]

People are idiots.

If there was any misconception as to what type of people are idiots I'll give you a hint.

It starts with Ruh and ends with Pub Lickens :gap:

 

[GreenLizard]

If there was any misconception as to what type of people are idiots I'll give you a hint.

It starts with Ruh and ends with Pub Lickens :gap:

LMAO !! exactly.

 

[Maximus]

What terrorist group did he aide? If you have info on this please share because its news to me. If you are referring to the Palestinians then i wouldn't call them a threat to America they would be a threat to US intrests abroad. What i see as a threat is me going to work and catching an RPG in the chest on the way.

Cali, do you even understand why these people hate us? Its not for our freedoms as some would like you to believe.

This country is the most it has ever been divided since the civil war era. One side gives the truth (my side:chuckles: ) and the other side is to proud to see what is going on.

Mandingo, surely you jest. What terrorist group did he aid? Which one's didn't he aid would be an easier question to answer. Abu Nidal lived in Iraq in 2001 for crissake! Saddam also aided Ansar al-Islam, Arab Liberation Front, Hamas, Kurdistan Workers Party, MEK, Palestinian Liberation Front, al Quaeda....just to name a few.

During three decades of Saddam Hussein's totalitarian rule, between 3 and 4 million of Iraq's 24 million people fled the country. Another estimated one million fell victim to state terror in the form of massacres, executions, torture, disappearances, and imprisonment. 260 mass graves have been discovered so far. They contain an estimated 400,000 bodies. And that's just what he did to his OWN PEOPLE.

There is abundant and undeniable evidence that Saddam Hussein provided money, diplomatic services, shelter, medical care, and training to terrorists of every stripe, including those complicit in the 1993 WTC bombing and — according to a Clinton-appointed federal judge — the September 11 attacks. The Iraqi dictator aided al-Qaeda and other global terrorists who murdered Americans, both at home and abroad.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? HE WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!

I would encourage you to read through this page. Very interesting stuff...even has pictures for those that require them.
http://husseinandterror.com/


For those of you that don't believe he murdered 100's of thousands of his own innocent citizens....here's some videos if you dare to watch.
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

 

[Maximus]

I think the United States should Disarm all of its Nuclear, Chemical and Biological warfare. United States shouldn't be allowed to posses any WMD either. (We have more than anyone ofcourse...and to date..the ONLY country to use nuclear weapons on civilians !)

Yeah, and it stopped WWII in less than a week. Sometimes the end justifies the means. Not to mention it sent a message to Stalin not to **** with us because we had the bomb and we were willing to use it.

Some of you fail to understand that we can't just sit here, unarmed, and hope that as long as we don't bother anyone they won't bother us. If we had disarmed at any point in the last 6 decades....we'd all be speaking another language.


By the way, if you don't like it here....there's always Canada.:chuckles:

 

[highplainsdrifter]

Congrats to Veteran Max reaching the 1000 post club! :drink:

"Weapons of Mass Destruction? HE WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!"

Great line.

Why do people like Saddam exist, or Hitler, or any terrorist???

I think part of the problem is not accepting people's differences. Some feel different is lesser than, and a threat to the way one is because they're different.

Is red better than blue, hot better than cold, America better than Iraq?

I think people like Saddam will continue to show up as a reflection of the world's limited consciousness. Maybe someday we will learn to embrace each other's differences and live in peace and learn how to settle disagreements without violence.

 

[Mandingo]

First off I give you props for bringing something to the table other than the usual bullshit that we get from some of the other posters.

Saddam was a bad man we all know that. The thing people fail to realize is that it wasn’t just Saddam doing the atrocities to his people it was his sons too. I think the line becomes blurry on what he did and what was done by his sons and other higher ups.

The groups you named are all Palestinian groups whose soul function is to destroy Israel. Hamas is no threat to the United States at the current time actually none of them are except for Al-Quadia and IT WAS NOT FUNDED BY SADDAM AT ANY POINT!!! Bin Laden originally wanted to go to war with Saddam for invading Kuwait, the only reason he didn’t is because the Saudis picked the help of the US over Bin Laden. Bin Laden saw the US as a country that had no respect for others and was unholy and for his people to snub him and side with a country like that was in his eyes the ultimate cross.

On to the weapons of mass destruction, Saddam had them. What he did with them I have no idea but I know that he had them because we gave him the money and knowledge to make them back in the 80’s.

This new find of supposed WMD’s is not a threat. Any General worth his salt will tell you that after the time that those rockets have been buried they pose minimal threat to a big population. That stuff has to be kept in ideal temps in order to stay effective and I highly doubt buried in the desert of Iraq is optimal conditions. That stuff has to be an aerosol in order to become airborne and they described it as a blob. While it may be deadly to the handlers of it people it won’t wipe out a town in that form.

America is not the “we want freedom for everybody” country it wants you to think it is. In 1953 AMERICA overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran and replaced him with a dictator. In 1954 AMERICA overthrew the democratically elected leader of Guatemala and replaced him with a dictator. In 1959 AMERICA backed a dictator in Haiti who went on to kill scores of people unchecked by the United States. In 1961 AMERICA assassinated the democratically elected leader of Zaire. In 1963 AMERICA overthrew the democratically elected leader of the Dominican Republic. Notice how every country that America tried to control ends up in today’s news as places that are terrorist strong holds or countries having massive problems? I stopped at 1963 because I think you get the point but it goes all the way up till present day. In 2004 AMERICA helped in the coup of democratically elected leader Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti.

Weather or not we like the policies of the leaders is irrelevant the people of that country picked them same as people here picked bush. Although I would like George Bush out I’ll be damned if some other country is going to roll up in here and try to displace him. It would go against everything that I stand for. I would take to the streets and fight tooth and nail for my country. I would take pot shots at any solider not on my side. Id booby trap roads and if it came down to it id sacrifice myself to take out a tank. Would that make me a terrorist? To some maybe but to people of my land I would be a solider fighting the enemy using any means necessary.

 

[Maximus]

Although I would like George Bush out I’ll be damned if some other country is going to roll up in here and try to displace him. It would go against everything that I stand for. I would take to the streets and fight tooth and nail for my country. I would take pot shots at any solider not on my side. Id booby trap roads and if it came down to it id sacrifice myself to take out a tank. Would that make me a terrorist? To some maybe but to people of my land I would be a solider fighting the enemy using any means necessary.

If George Bush had murdered 1,000,000+ of your relatives, friends, neighbors, and countrymen, I'm guessing you wouldn't put up the same fight you describe above if someone came in to displace him. If Bush's children were amputating people's limbs, cutting out tongues, and cutting up the genitals of women after raping them just for sport, I'd assume you'd put up little fight at all if someone came into displace them. I know you wouldn't be blowing up oilwells, powerplants, highways, hospitals and any other infrastructure that we or the invaders built here. I know damn well you wouldn't sacrifice innocent children of the US just to take out one of your enemies. If you would, then yes, I would consider you a terrorist. Personally, I'd be welcoming the other country with open arms...just like many of the Iraqis do to our soldiers.

Truth be told(which it rarely is by the media), majority of the Iraqis have treated our soliders quite well...and welcomed them. We've built over a 1000 schools and hospitals over there, but those stories are never aired. It's the terrorists, the small minority, that are still putting up the fight. CNN only wants you to hear about the dying American soldiers and suicide bombers...not the progress. There's a reason the Taliban called for a month long cease fire yesterday in Afghanistan, they are losing the battle. Many of bin Laden's key lieutenants have been taken out recently and they are on the ropes. Yet that story, while monumental, barely got any ink at all.

Here is an article you'd never read in the New York Times - "Little Girl". I encourage you to read it. Do you think the Iraqi citizens consider the guy that blew up this tank a soldier...or a terrorist? Me too.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/little-girl.htm/

 

[James]

every potitican in office right now is to blame for whats going on.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

So Michael Yon is a soldier in Iraq, keeping people aware of what he does day to day? Thats cool. That Little Girl story is good, but sad.

Why do these "terrorists" in Iraq attack the US soldiers, even with kids around? What is their agenda? Why do they hate the US so much? (I dont really follow this stuff) Just trying to understand where they're coming from, and Im sure they feel what they're doing is "right", even though its terrible to me.

 

[Mandingo]

I can't comment on that story because it really has no base. How does one comment on a story that can't be verified?

Truth be told more people are homeless and not as well off asI can't argue that story because it really has no base. How does one argue a story that can't be verified?

Truth be told more people are homeless and not as well off as it seems. Sure there is good trying to be done. That’s evident all over Iraq just look around. The problem is that the damage caused by trying to kill a few guys in retaliation for killing one of our own greatly out ways any good we may be trying to do. Destroying the infrastructure of a city and razing houses to kill one person just isn’t worth it. Report just came out today saying 130,000 people displaced in Iraq (didn’t catch the whole thing and now the story is gone, damn the media!). There are stories of people STILL without proper electricity and running water. I know our people are trying to get the job done for the most part but poor/lack of planning is keeping that from getting done.

Brings us back to square one. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11; Iraq was of no threat to the United States. This war could have been avoided and lives spared if it wasn’t for our hard headed leader.

Oh I forgot one thing, we fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here right? Well what about those 7 guys caught in Miami? I think we seriously have a problem when the residents of the United States are as pissed off as the terrorists who “hate us for our freedom”.

It’s obvious that this war on terror is a sham. I think our money and resources would be better suited here in the US combating poverty and disease. The rich cry that we don’t have the money to do anything about that but yet they find the money to waste on a bomb or to feed this war. I read we were spending 1 billion dollars a day at one point. Needs to stop.
it seems. Sure there is good trying to be done. Thats evident all over Iraq just look around. The problem is that the problems caused by trying to kill a few guys in retaliation for killing one of our own greatly out ways the end solution.

 

[Mandingo]

So Michael Yon is a soldier in Iraq, keeping people aware of what he does day to day? Thats cool. That Little Girl story is good, but sad.

Why do these "terrorists" in Iraq attack the US soldiers, even with kids around? What is their agenda? Why do they hate the US so much? (I dont really follow this stuff) Just trying to understand where they're coming from, and Im sure they feel what they're doing is "right", even though its terrible to me.

Because of the policies of the United States. Bottom line America only looks out for self. The reason these 3rd world countries are in the shape that they are in has alot to do with the US.

Start looking up the history of the US.

 

[cavincali]

Because of the policies of the United States. Bottom line America only looks out for self. The reason these 3rd world countries are in the shape that they are in has alot to do with the US.

Start looking up the history of the US.

Hoooooooooooo that notion.

Instead of giving money to the poor, why dont the poor get off there lazy asses and read a damn book instead of selling drugs or skipping school. Shake your head bro, but its the damn truth.

Mandingo what your saying about attacking them there instead of here isnt fair. You know damn well that if nothing was done and there was another attack you would be saying "why didnt they do something about it, Bush is an idiot." Its a no win situation. It sucks that people have to die over this crazy situation but it sucks even more that terrorist have to live.

Im even prouder to be an American knowing we dont have these terrorist in our backyard.

 

[Mandingo]

Hoooooooooooo that notion.

Instead of giving money to the poor, why dont the poor get off there lazy asses and read a damn book instead of selling drugs or skipping school. Shake your head bro, but its the damn truth.

Mandingo what your saying about attacking them there instead of here isnt fair. You know damn well that if nothing was done and there was another attack you would be saying "why didnt they do something about it, Bush is an idiot." Its a no win situation. It sucks that people have to die over this crazy situation but it sucks even more that terrorist have to live.

Im even prouder to be an American knowing we dont have these terrorist in our backyard.

BUT WE DO HAVE THEM!!!!!!!!

No, im all for Afghanistan war just not Iraq because its not justified.

Im sick and tired of assholes thinking all poor people don't read or are lazy drug dealers. Im talking about the poor people who work 2 jobs making next to nothing just to keep a roof over their kids heads. The ones who can't spend any time with their family because they are trying to support them. Id rather my tax dollars go to helping them then stuffing the already bloated wallets of the politicians who can't seem to pass a vote on raising the minimum wage but always seem to raise to find money to increase their pay. If that doesn't outrage you then im not going to waste my time responding to your posts anymore because i don't think sane people should waste time conversing with sheep or robots. People are going broke because of medical bills and they aren't getting any relief from our govt. that most of them pay into. Take your head out of the sand and wake up. Go read a news paper.

You know what, go watch a session of CSpan and see how these children act in congress. Shutting off the lights, yelling at each other, cutting off microphones. Yeah, im real proud to be an American with these assholes in charge.

 

[cavincali]

I like pulling you chane bro. :chuckles:

Those poeople working two jobs to support there kids probably got knocked up in highschool if not then, at to early of an age.

Dont make excuses. I bust my ass and Im not the smartest guy in the world and as a result Im going to live a very nice life. Its not that difficult to get a good paying job, you just have to work a little harder. Havent you hear the saying what you put into something is what you get out.

I totally agree about politicians though, to much money is wasted but at the same time it shouldnt be handed to the poor.

The government was created with absolutely no intentions of aiding poople with money. Not once. It all started with the great depression and now all kinds of poeple are living off of taxes.

The top 50% (income level) pay 96.54% of all income taxes. Is that fair, hell no.