Your 2019 Cleveland Indians

[Real Deal]

Cold climate teams should automatically play 2 series away to start the year. It's really not hard. Offer interleague play too. Baseball just doesn't get the scheduling right. I'm sure Indians ownership is ecstatic.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Dumbest part is that their interleague matchups are with the NL West. An opening week in LA and San Diego would have been good.

 

[sportscoach]

Why do you think 250 / 10 = 20?

I guess I should have clarified my statement a little better. What I really meant if they were able to sign him close to 20-25 mil they would have already. His currently price is equal to what Machado and Harper got which is a 30mil a season contract. The Indians FO would have taken the deal you put out already, but from what his agent has said, I don’t think it will happen before he hits free agency.

 

[Soar]

This is probably a dumb question but can the Indians call-up an additional player with Puig being out?

 

[bob2the2nd]

This is probably a dumb question but can the Indians call-up an additional player with Puig being out?

Not dumb because I feel like it's obscure.

The answer is no, and I only know it because it was said in the game thread

 

[Joe Charboneau]

This is probably a dumb question but can the Indians call-up an additional player with Puig being out?

From what i have heard today, nope. They cannot.

 

[AZ_]

1. Hometown discount

2. I find it hard to imagine anyone turning down $250MM when they still have a year on their deal.

1. Lol

2. Wrong

 

[Stark]

Brad Hand

0 days rest: 15 games, 4.50 ERA, 1.57 WHIP
1 days rest: 9 games, 2.25 ERA, 0.87 WHIP
2 days rest: 11 games, 3.55 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
3 days rest: 8 games, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP
4+ days rest: 7 games, 0.00 ERA, 0.88 WHIP

Brad Hand, like most relievers, benefits when you don't throw him out there in back to back games consistently like Tito has done this season. I get that some nights you have to do it given whatever circumstance is out there, but Hand is a pretty damn good pitcher when you don't run him into the ground. Also, the Twins and Red Sox are two of the best offenses in baseball.

Sad that we've got a lot of casual fans turning on him (not on this board specifically, but Twitter is calling for him to be DFA'd tomorrow before he turns into Cody Allen).

 

[Derek]

Brad Hand

0 days rest: 15 games, 4.50 ERA, 1.57 WHIP
1 days rest: 9 games, 2.25 ERA, 0.87 WHIP
2 days rest: 11 games, 3.55 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
3 days rest: 8 games, 0.00 ERA, 0.50 WHIP
4+ days rest: 7 games, 0.00 ERA, 0.88 WHIP

Brad Hand, like most relievers, benefits when you don't throw him out there in back to back games consistently like Tito has done this season. I get that some nights you have to do it given whatever circumstance is out there, but Hand is a pretty damn good pitcher when you don't run him into the ground. Also, the Twins and Red Sox are two of the best offenses in baseball.

Sad that we've got a lot of casual fans turning on him (not on this board specifically, but Twitter is calling for him to be DFA'd tomorrow before he turns into Cody Allen).

Life of a closer. I'd rather not speak in absolutes, but they're almost always underappreciated.

 

[Lee]

Life of a closer. I'd rather not speak in absolutes, but they're almost always underappreciated.

Personally I never speak in absolutes.

 

[Stark]

The discussion was going on in the Red Sox series thread and I thought it was an interesting one, so I figured I'd bring it over here.

Favorite Indians player post 90's dynasty, I'm going to say that ended in 2001, which was our last playoff appearance with the remnants of that crew (Thome, Lofton, Omar, etc.):

1. Travis Hafner
2. Corey Kluber
3. Francisco Lindor
4. Coco Crisp
5. Andrew Miller

Now if we're talking the BEST players post-2001, here are some of the best Indians according to WAR since 2001 (players like Sabathia, Thome, Vizquel are only being counted for their numbers in 2002-present):

1. Corey Kluber - 33.1
2. Carlos Santana - 27.9
3. Grady Sizemore - 27.7
4. Francisco Lindor - 27.6
5. Travis Hafner - 25.0
6. C.C. Sabathia - 24.6
7. Jose Ramirez - 24.4
8. Michael Brantley - 22.7
9. Jason Kipnis - 22.3
10. Shin-Soo Choo - 21.8
11. Carlos Carrasco - 20.9
12. Asdrubal Cabrera - 20.2
13. Victor Martinez - 19.3
14. Trevor Bauer - 16.6
15. Cliff Lee - 16.2
16. Casey Blake - 16.0
17. Jhonny Peralta - 15.5
18. Jake Westbrook - 13.1
19. Yan Gomes - 11.8
20. Mike Clevinger - 10.3
21. Danny Salazar - 9.6
22. Ronnie Belliard - 9.4
23. Omar Vizquel - 9.1
24. Coco Crisp - 9.0
25. Lonnie Chisenhall - 9.0
26. Cody Allen - 8.9
27. Justin Masterson - 8.1
28. Jim Thome - 8.0
29. Fausto Carmona Hernandez - 5.6
30. Bob Wickman - 5.5
31. Roberto Perez - 5.1
32. Andrew Miller - 4.7
33. Edwin Encarnacion - 4.7
34. Josh Tomlin - 4.7
35. Michael Bourn - 3.3
36. Nick Swisher - 1.6
37. Oscar Mercado - 1.4
38. Ubaldo Jimenez - -0.3

WAR obviously doesn't tell us everything, and I obviously left off plenty of guys that would have fallen between Kluber and Jimenez on this list, but I think this kind of helps shows how impactful a lot of the notable guys have been for us.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Time for an update on our 2016 draft class.

Currently worth 6.9 rWAR.

Rest of the entire draft class combined is worth 12.1 rWAR.

One trip through the rotation later and this group is now worth 7.7 rWAR.

Combined stats are bonkers, even if it’s mostly Bieber.

30-13, 3.57 ERA, 366 IP, 385 K, 88 BB

Most teams would kill for that type of young SP performance spread across 3 drafts. Indians have it coming from the same one. They drafted 3/5ths of a solid rotation in 1 draft. Absolutely unheard of.

 

[BMAN]

One trip through the rotation later and this group is now worth 7.7 rWAR.

Combined stats are bonkers, even if it’s mostly Bieber.

30-13, 3.57 ERA, 366 IP, 385 K, 88 BB

Most teams would kill for that type of young SP performance spread across 3 drafts. Indians have it coming from the same one. They drafted 3/5ths of a solid rotation in 1 draft. Absolutely unheard of.

Do you think Plesac can stick? He looked pretty rough yesterday and I know the advanced stats paint a picture of him not doing as well than it looks on the surface.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Do you think Plesac can stick? He looked pretty rough yesterday and I know the advanced stats paint a picture of him not doing as well than it looks on the surface.

Yes. I think fatigue is hitting him harder than they’re letting on right now. These are just simply the most high leverage innings he’s thrown since TJ, and I think his stuff should be better moving forward after this. A guy who has good control wouldn’t be missing as bad as he has been for the last few weeks if he was right.

At the worst, he is showing he can be an above average back end of the rotation guy. I’d match him against other teams 4 or 5 starters every day of the week, even if a .5 to .75 ERA regression is coming for him.

If his body responds well to the rest of the season and the upcoming offseason and he finds some life on his slider, I think he can be a higher K rate guy who could slot in the middle of a rotation easily. Has the fastball for it.

 

[daddywags]

Plesac is at 140 innings this year. Most he's thrown in a season is 144 last year. If he stays in the rotation he could be pushing 190 by season's end. If he's not a bit fatigued now he will be.