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Paul Dolan was on one of he Spring Training broadcasts on STO and referred to Bryan Rocchio as our future shortstop. That told me quite a bit about his thinking and how confident he is in the farm system and player development staff in the system. We’ll see.
I do my absolute best to try to stay up on our farm guys, so this is probably just my fault for being ignorant of it, but I had no clue who Rocchio was until I just looked him up.

.664 OPS at M-Valley this season? Is that right or outdated? That's the guy Dolan said is the heir apparent to Lindor?

Not ragging on the kid, he's 18, but Dolan needs to learn to shut his damn mouth.
 

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I'd really love to know just how much TV money the Tribe will be getting and what kind of impact that could have re: Lindor.
 

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I do my absolute best to try to stay up on our farm guys, so this is probably just my fault for being ignorant of it, but I had no clue who Rocchio was until I just looked him up.

.664 OPS at M-Valley this season? Is that right or outdated? That's the guy Dolan said is the heir apparent to Lindor?

Not ragging on the kid, he's 18, but Dolan needs to learn to shut his damn mouth.
Rocchio is very legit and probably a fringe top-100 prospect in all of baseball.

Edit: 80th ranked prospect via FG
 

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I do my absolute best to try to stay up on our farm guys, so this is probably just my fault for being ignorant of it, but I had no clue who Rocchio was until I just looked him up.

.664 OPS at M-Valley this season? Is that right or outdated? That's the guy Dolan said is the heir apparent to Lindor?

Not ragging on the kid, he's 18, but Dolan needs to learn to shut his damn mouth.
He's probably the best defensive shortstop prospect the Indians have ever had. It's not for his bat, although I think from what I've seen, he could develop some pop.
 

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He's probably the best defensive shortstop prospect the Indians have ever had. It's not for his bat, although I think from what I've seen, he could develop some pop.
His bat to ball skills are very very good. There might be a future 70 grade on the hit tool. The issue is he weighs 150 lbs right now.....

I don't think his hit tool as all that dissimilar to Tyler Freeman's. Might lack traditional HR power but he'll sting line drives all over the park.

Rocchio's bat is actually well ahead of his defense for me.
 
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He's probably the best defensive shortstop prospect the Indians have ever had. It's not for his bat, although I think from what I've seen, he could develop some pop.
even better than johnny mac?

seriously. Mac was could have been a gold glover if he wasnt blocked by Omar... oh and if he could hit above the mendoza line
 

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Depends on the length.

He’s going to get 30 million a year, like Machado got.

But if all things are equal, Lindor wants to stay in Cleveland. Whether people believe it or not, the Indians are in the drivers seat, but there are still things that have to fall their way in order for it to actually happen.
Man, I hope nothing more for you to be proven right, but I have a difficult time seeing him accept anything less than $300 million. And, we already know Pauly D isn’t writing that check.
 

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Man, I hope nothing more for you to be proven right, but I have a difficult time seeing him accept anything less than $300 million. And, we already know Pauly D isn’t writing that check.
Maybe we should petition the city and donations to get Lindor his contract/pay the difference so we keep him? lol

Aka Dolan pays like 20 and the city + donations pay the rest?

Wishful thinking with the outside help lol
 

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Depends on the length.

He’s going to get 30 million a year, like Machado got.

But if all things are equal, Lindor wants to stay in Cleveland. Whether people believe it or not, the Indians are in the drivers seat, but there are still things that have to fall their way in order for it to actually happen.
If the Indians pony up the money and something happens where they are no longer a playoff contender and need to get rid of Lindor, wouldn't a 30 mill a year Lindo over lets say 8 years, be easy to trade?
 

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At this point, and this is with understanding everything with market limitations and everything, I would be extremely disappointed if the Indians were that far off on a contract with Lindor.

They need to scrounge every nickle and penny that can get and give it to him. He is the ultimate Indian, he's already on the mount rushmore of Indians for me.
I have significant doubts this is the best way for a low budget team to operate if the goal is to compete for World Series wins

I think to a lot of people, keeping Lindor is about more than just that, and that’s ok. But given the budget constraints we face I just don’t know if allocating 30% of the budget to one super star is really the best way to maximize our chances

I get we all love watching him and we all want to see him in an Indians hat in the HOF one day and we all wish baseball operated different

But operating in reality and how constricting that contract would be to the rest of the team building, there’s at least an argument that it’s not the best way to build a contendor

And God forbid if he goes the way of Miguel Cabrera Or Cano or many other guys who get the 12-13 year contracts. Could you imagine giving 30% of our budget to a black hole for 4-5 years? The Indians literally could not overcome that. They’d either have to package half the farm with him to get that money off the books or just be uncompetitive for half a decade
 

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I'd really love to know just how much TV money the Tribe will be getting and what kind of impact that could have re: Lindor.
The Rays deal is the most recent to go by and they got $83 million a year and nobody in that market cares about the Rays. Right now the Indians are only getting 40 a year. If the Indians continue to draw good ratings it could go over 100 million but there are discrepancies on when the contract exactly ends (2022 or 2027).
 
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I have significant doubts this is the best way for a low budget team to operate if the goal is to compete for World Series wins

I think to a lot of people, keeping Lindor is about more than just that, and that’s ok. But given the budget constraints we face I just don’t know if allocating 30% of the budget to one super star is really the best way to maximize our chances

I get we all love watching him and we all want to see him in an Indians hat in the HOF one day and we all wish baseball operated different

But operating in reality and how constricting that contract would be to the rest of the team building, there’s at least an argument that it’s not the best way to build a contendor

And God forbid if he goes the way of Miguel Cabrera Or Cano or many other guys who get the 12-13 year contracts. Could you imagine giving 30% of our budget to a black hole for 4-5 years? The Indians literally could not overcome that. They’d either have to package half the farm with him to get that money off the books or just be uncompetitive for half a decade
It comes down to opportunity-cost with a guy like Lindor for me.

You can't lose him for nothing but a comp pick.

What impact does signing him have on the rest of the organization and does it leave them vulnerable to potentially being unable to surround him with the necessary talent to compete for Championships?

Now, with a potential trade.... if a team is going to throw in 3-4 top-100 prospects for Lindor, is that worth the blowback from the fanbase for trading a fan favorite and face of the franchise?

Obviously we're not privy to negotiations but, if things are not headed in a direction that the Indians front office is comfortable with, I think I lean toward the latter scenario and would trade him this offseason for a mountain of prospects. There have been rumors that Lindor's camp wants him to hit the market and don't want to work out an extension. That's a deal breaker for me.

With that said, Dolan did say this past offseason that Lindor will be here for three more years. So I dunno.....

Trade him this offseason or pay him. I'm good with it, either way. There's merits to both. I would be unhappy if they let him walk and just pickup the comp pick.
 

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Well from what I can tell from an update on baseball reference, Salazar, who was slated to get another rehab start, looks like he was scratched and isn't going to pitch again for another week or two. They didn't link it to anywhere, it was a morning update, but I trust their site, so it looks like Salazar is back to resting for another week or two. Hopefully the update is wrong, but its not good news. I think we were all hoping to see him come back in the second half and pitch out of the pen and help us down the stretch.
Fuck you talkin' about coach? I know I can't trust your word :chuckle:

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/indiansPro/status/1149465569097162752
 

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Are they just going to keep him down all year to get himself worked out and adjusted so they can evaluate whether or not he can be an effective player next season? I’d have to imagine being a starter for this organization moving forward is essentially out of the question.
 

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