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2012 Draft

Discussion in 'Trades, Free Agency, & the Draft' started by King J, May 31, 2011.

  1. DraftPick

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Great column on Warriors thinking at 7 RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/timkawakami">timkawakami</a>: Lacob thinks big, so what if big Drummond is there at 7?<a href="http://t.co/EZGYNt3h" title="http://bit.ly/NdUK2t">bit.ly/NdUK2t</a></p>&mdash; Chad Ford (@chadfordinsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/215889624428584960" data-datetime="2012-06-21T19:31:12+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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  2. Tornicade

    Tornicade High five!

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    someone mentioned big picture. so here is the lotto bunch.

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    can someone post ford's latest blog
     
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    Here you are:

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  5. JMcCurry08

    JMcCurry08 NBA Starter

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    Is that Aaron Goldhammer in the photo?
     
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    After that very helfpful post I will ask again can someone post ford's blog where he talks about drummond dropping and latest workouts
     
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    2012 NBA Draft - Workout buzz on top prospects - ESPN

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  8. wuck

    wuck Hustling on the inside Staff Member

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    Cavs seemed to put enough stock into workouts last year...
     
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  9. Czvosec

    Czvosec All-Star

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    Michael Jordan would mess this up for the Cavs and take MKG.
     
  10. Tornicade

    Tornicade High five!

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    I dont know if i want to see :amb on the Cavs. he looks kinda creepy
     
  11. Jon

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    This would be a better discussion in another thread, but few things to point out:

    1) You would normally expect performance to go down in the playoffs because the level of competition, the level of scouting, and yes the level of effort increases;
    2) PER is not the stat you use to evaluate what Andy brings to a team ... Net +/- would be your huckleberry.
    3) In some of the recent post seasons, Andy was just playing hurt and far less than 100%. Same is true for a number of our other bigs.

    Anyway, I do think a #7 pick in this draft would be good value for Andy, but apparently there are some strings attached.
     
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  12. howler1313

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    I think that's partially true, but you're not taking into account something that's just as important. While it's great to see players diving for every loose ball and trying to take every charge, it often catches up to the body in the form of nagging injuries late in the season. You used wade as well, and I think he's a perfect example: two years ago he was dominating the finals until he tweaked something (I think it was his hip) and he was a non-factor from then on. This year he's really struggling with a knee injury, which is apparently worse than a lot of people are saying. In the 2010 playoffs, I remember Andy was trying to play through a bad back which took away most of his mobility in the boston series. No one's at 100% by the time the playoffs roll around, but I think it's especially hard for those guys who beat themselves up during the regular season.
     
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    The point is that people are claiming that Andy will be invaluable to the team if and when they get back to the playoffs. Based on past years, that's not the case. Whether he has nagging injuries or not is irrelevant, and really only strengthens the "trade him now" argument. He doesn't know how to conserve himself in the regular season, thereby becoming less effective when the games actually count. We're expecting him to play at this level in the playoffs 2, 3, 4 years down the line? Sorry, its just not going to happen.
     
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    so, he'll be over 30 before the next nba season starts. hence 30+. when you find a playoff team picking 17-19 willing to make that trade, let me know. if there was a laundry list of suitors for AV willing to give up what you propose, it would likely have been leaked, or he'd be gone by now.
     
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    Coincidence?

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523tbt">#tbt</a> Anderson Varejão swag <a href="http://t.co/dNA8puuH" title="http://instagr.am/p/MJgejruCIg/">instagr.am/p/MJgejruCIg/</a></p>&mdash; Joe Haden (@joehaden23) <a href="https://twitter.com/joehaden23/status/215899345562767361" data-datetime="2012-06-21T20:09:49+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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    He looks a lot like Paul Pierce.
     
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    I agree we should trade him, we were seeing him play hurt in the playoffs several years ago and now he's going down with major injuries before the playoffs even start. Still, I think his style of game would be very effective as a role player for playoff basketball... not that we need it in the next 2-3 years.
     
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    Hard to say, unless someone knows how the Cavs had Tristan ranked before they worked him out.

    I still think Kanter going 3rd screwed up our draft. I think we planned to take him for Washington in exchange for their 2 first rounders knowing that either JV or TT would be there at #6.

    I wonder in retrospect what we would have done with the #18 pick? Alec Burks was gone, but certainly MarShon Brooks was a possibility.

    Anyway, we can guess it was the workouts or the advanced stats or whatever ... but it's funny nobody wants to consider that the Cavs watched Tristan play for Texas, reviewed the tape, talked to the people who knew him, and just liked him a ton?
     
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    Plays just like him as well. Basically a shooting guard version of Paul Pierce , but better.
     
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    Coincidence of what?
     

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