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2012 Presidential Election

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Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 70 60.9%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • Electoral College Tie

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    115
  • Poll closed .
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Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job

This is a joke. Going by Glenn Beck's website the stimulus spent $275 billion in tax relief ($1,000 tax cut for families), $87 billion in Medicaid aid to states and $15 billion to increase Pell grants. None of that is specifically designed to produce jobs. Not to mention, the tax cuts are exactly what Republicans want. But that article takes the entire amount of the stimulus package and pretends all of that money was targeted for job creation. It's not honest.
 
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This is a joke. Going by Glenn Beck's website the stimulus spent $275 billion in tax relief ($1,000 tax cut for families), $ 87 billion in Medicaid aid to states and $ 15 billion to increase Pell grants. None of that is specifically designed to produce jobs. Not to mention, the tax cuts are exactly what Republicans want. But that article takes the entire amount of the stimulus package and pretends all of that money was targeted for job creation. It's not honest.

I want to see my head explode but that's almost impossible to do.

The reasoning and excuses given for Obama and his spending are astounding.
 
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If the private sector isn't spending money then the government needs to step in.

I agree with that 100%. The gov't needs take action and incentivize them into spending...not just take it from them. Lower the corporate tax rate. Suspend payroll taxes. Repatriate the trillions of dollars in corporate profits trapped overseas. That's REAL stimulus.


Look at what Slick said earlier today. Clinton and I could get a deal struck that would get this economy cooking in a couple hours. Sadly, Obama is clueless and in way over his head. I wish Clinton was President.

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Wilhelm von Slick said:
“When I was president, we raised the corporate income-tax rates on corporations that made over $10 million (a year),” Clinton said at the Aspen Ideas Festival, reports the news source. “It made sense when I did it. It doesn’t make sense anymore — we’ve got an uncompetitive rate. We tax at 35 percent of income, although we only take about 23 percent. So we should cut the rate to 25 percent, or whatever’s competitive, and eliminate a lot of the deductions so that we still get a fair amount, and there’s not so much variance in what the corporations pay.”



....and more Willie:

Bill Clinton Backs Tax Holiday on Foreign Profits, With Caveats

By Richard Rubin - Jul 1, 2011


Former U.S. President Bill Clinton endorsed a tax holiday on repatriating offshore profits with conditions, taking a position contrary to the Obama administration.

“I favor it under certain circumstances,” Clinton said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Al Hunt yesterday in Chicago. He suggested an approach that would give companies a 20 percent tax rate on repatriated profits, which could be reduced to 10 percent if they “reinvest it in increasing employment in America.”
 
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Not a fan of all his work, but I think this pretty much nails it...

An Establishment in Panic
By Pat Buchanan


By refusing to accept tax increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, Republicans are behaving like "fanatics," writes David Brooks of The New York Times.

Anti-tax Republicans "have no sense of moral decency," he adds.

They are "willing to stain their nation's honor" to "worship their idol." If this "deal of the century" goes down, as he calls the Barack Obama offer, "Republican fanaticism" will be the cause.

"The GOP has become a cult" that has replaced reason with "feverish" and "cockamamie beliefs," writes Richard Cohen of The Washington Post. The Republican "presidential field (is) a virtual political Jonestown," the Guyana site where more than 900 followers of the Peoples Temple drank the Kool-Aid that Rev. Jim Jones mixed for them.

Does anyone think this an appropriate description of such mild-mannered men as Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman?

"The GOP's Hezbollah Wing Is Now Fully in Control," screams The New Republic over a recent lead editorial.

Other columnists charge the GOP with holding America "hostage" by refusing to accept tax hikes to avert a default on the debt.

What to make of this hysteria?

The Establishment is in a panic. It has been jolted awake to the realization that the GOP House, if it can summon the courage to use it, is holding a weapon that could enable it to bridle forever the federal monster that consumes 25 percent of gross domestic product.

To bully and blackmail the GOP into surrendering the weapon and betraying its principles and signing on to new taxes, that establishment has unleashed rhetoric more befitting a war on terror than a political dispute.

For how, exactly, are Republicans threatening the republic?

The House has not said it will not raise the debt ceiling. It must and will. It has not said it will not accept budget cuts. It has indicated a willingness to accept the budget cuts agreed to in the Biden negotiations.

Where the GOP has stood its ground is on tax increases.

Is fanaticism behind this stance? Does this manifest insanity? How does this imperil the nation's honor and future?

Behind the GOP opposition to tax hikes is the party's word given to the country that elected it in 2010, its political principles, its traditional view of what not to do when the nation is in a slump, and party history.

Fully 235 Republican House members signed a 2010 pledge not to raise taxes. And by giving their word they were rewarded with victory.

Should they now dishonor that pledge, what would differentiate them from George H.W. Bush, who famously promised in 1988: "Read my lips! No new taxes!" then went back on his word and took the party down to defeat with him?

Second, the GOP is the party of small government and low taxes.

Why would it agree to raise taxes on the private productive sector when federal spending, now at a peacetime record of 25 percent of GDP, is the problem?

Third, America is in a slump, with 9 percent of the workforce unemployed, another 7 percent underemployed and the economy growing at a tepid 1.8 percent.

What school of economic thought -- Keynesian, supply-side or monetarist -- says raising taxes in a slumping economy is the recipe for a return to prosperity? There is no such school.

Why, when the whole country is talking about the need to create jobs, would Congress raise taxes on a private productive sector that employs six in seven Americans and is the creator of real jobs?

In 1982, President Reagan agreed to the same deal being offered the party today: three dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases to which he assented. As he ruefully told this writer more than once, he was lied to. He got one dollar in spending cuts for every three in tax increases.

What of the charge that the Republican House is holding America hostage, blackmailing the nation with a suicidal threat to throw us all into national default if it does not get its way?

This smear is the precise opposite of the truth.

The Republican Party has not said it will refuse to raise the debt ceiling. It has an obligation to do so, and will.

The House has simply said it will not accept new taxes on a nation whose fiscal crisis comes from overspending.

If the GOP keeps its word, raises the debt ceiling and accepts budget cuts agreed to in the Biden negotiations, the only people who can prevent the debt ceiling's being raised are Senate Democrats or Obama, in which case, they, not the GOP, will have thrown the nation into default.

It is the establishment that is resorting to extortion, saying, in effect, to the House GOP: Give us the new taxes we demand, or Obama will veto the debt ceiling and we will all blame you for the default.

They're bluffing.

The GOP should stand its ground -- and fix bayonets.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

As much as I would love to blame Obama for where our country is now; it is not him but rather the system that is the problem. One of the big issues is career politicians and the bipartisan 'system'. It seems that the majority of men/women in DC just want to keep getting elected rather than bring the USA back to greatness. Additionally, rather than have their own opinions on an issue; politicians seem to look at whatever their party leaders are supporting. How can this ever lead to positive change if roughly half of the politicians are going to not support a bill simply because it was proposed by the other party? Once politicians, Obama included, gain more power, they seem to become more moderate just because it will help garner more support from independent or centrally thinking citizens. Obama had super liberal views before he went in to the white house and it seems like he has become much more moderate while in office.

The other issue is with government spending which is not entirely the fault of politicians. The general population has the mindset of "The government should cut spending, but don't they dare cut a program that I am benefiting from". This puts politicians into an impossible situation because if they vote to cut spending or even eliminate a program; they just lost the vote of all their constituents that were benefiting from that program and the politician is essentially asking to be demoted.
 
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I thought this was hilarious. Very true but also very funny. Sadly true.

Stuck On "Stupid Liberal" Mode

BLACK MARKET TOILETS
My dad builds custom homes in California and the regulators at all levels routinely give him new, maddening impediments to practicality. The example that I remember most had to do with toilets.

In response to the apparent public outcry about excessive tank capacity, sales of toilets that exceed 1.6 gallons per flush have been banned throughout America. United States Senator Rand Paul recently told a senior bureaucrat at a Senate hearing, “Frankly, my toilets don’t work in my house, and I blame you.”

If you are like Senator Rand and don’t think that it makes sense to have to flush twice to make up for a deliberately insufficient vortex, you can buy a Canadian-made 3.5 gallon toilet on the black market. Can you imagine having that crime on your rap sheet?

POISONOUS LIGHTBULBS
The government’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) at the Energy Department also thought it would be really swell if Americans would use less electricity to match their new toilets. So, they made some suggestions, through nationwide mandates, that we replace our bright, warm, inexpensive light bulbs with compact fluorescent lighting (CFL).

CFLs don’t lend as much ambience, they are vastly more expensive, and they take a while to warm up before they can perform their singular purpose in our lives. But, they do provide an element of mercury for you to deal with when they burn out or break.

The Environmental Protection Agency recommends that, if your CFL light bulb breaks, first get all people and pets out of the room, shut down your air conditioner for several hours (another excellent suggestion for saving energy), and thoroughly collect every bit of glass and powder into a sealed container.

The government’s Energy Star program argues that this mandate actually reduces mercury emissions in American households because CFLs demand less electricity from mercury-generating coal plants that poison the fish we eat.

FUNNY THING ABOUT PHOSPHATES
About a year ago, I called the manufacturer of our dishwasher with a performance complaint. The 10-month-old appliance was simply no longer getting the dishes clean. The repair guy approached the situation like the main character on the TV show House.

His assessment was that all three name-brand detergents we had on hand were too low on phosphates to get the job done. It turns out that ours is one of millions of households victimized by the latest regulation - low detergent phosphates. We now dump in twice the normal amount of detergent and set the cycle to “stupid liberal mode” which runs the dishwasher for nearly three hours, using 50% more water and electricity.

BOGUS BUREAUCRATS
It is hard to believe that these busybody bureaucrats are simply trying to improve the environment. Evidence to the contrary includes the results of an investigation by the Government Accountability Office. They received an Energy Star label for their application of a gas-powered clock radio (really).

With a full staff of uniformed gropers at every airport, Obamacare and government controlled thermostats on the horizon -- I mean, if one were to undertake the goal of listing the most personally intrusive acts that a government could commit against its people, I think this list would just about be it.

With their hands in my pants, my physical health, my home, and even my toilet, I have never felt so uncomfortably close to my government.
http://finance.townhall.com/columni...07/10/stuck_on_stupid_liberal_mode/page/full/
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I'm still waiting to hear if anyone on this board arguing for more government spending goes above and beyond his tax bill. Anyone?
 
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I haven't read anything since my last post; I wanted to get this out first:

I am truly sorry for the way I treated Doug. He did not deserve that in any way. It's no excuse, but I went through another PTSD-induced bout of angered, mild, and temporary insanity. I wish I could say it won't happen again.

Doug, I apologize. I know where this comes from, but it isn't you. I understand if you don't accept.

My real feeling is that we all have our place in this society, left, right, middle, whatever; and we are all needed to make life better. We all care to make life better for all, we just disagree on how to get there. I think the political polarization currently in this country is exploited and stoked by those who do not want cooperation for the common good, but momentum in their selfish direction. Doug is clearly not one of these people. I was projecting this anger, and others, onto him unfairly. Again, very sorry.
 
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You know what I think? I think you think you are so much smarter than most of us. Maybe you are. Maybe not. But allow me to tell you this; you don't need to post like you are better than me or anyone else. You don't like me or my opinions. Fine. Move along. You think all conservatives are misinformed. Fine. Move along. Some advice for you; I'm not going to stop posting my opinions. If you want respect, I suggest you stop personally bashing me and others. I'm not bashing you for your opinions, even though I think you are a fucking moronic misinformed liberal. Now we are even. I can only take so much bashing and trashing from fucking libs before my fucking head explodes.

Thanks for listening.

You are absolutely right. I've been told since I was 10 that I was smarter than 95% of my peers and was provided ample evidence. I wish this had never happened, and IIRC, according to most schools' policies, it doesn't happen much any more. It has subverted my self motivation and caused an entitled and condescending attitude that I have to struggle with every day. It's completely irrational and self destructive. I don't wish this on my worst enemy. Believe it or not, these tendencies are much easier to control in real life situations. It's the internet and its relatively consequence-free nature that sometimes takes advantage of my previously sabotaged guard against my nature. These are no excuses, the responsibility is my own. I have taken breaks from RCF and other comment sites before, for these reasons, and I should have taken a break a week ago. I guess my self awareness is slipping. Sorry for the public self-diagnosis.
 
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I'm still waiting to hear if anyone on this board arguing for more government spending goes above and beyond his tax bill. Anyone?

Sorry, but this isn't nearly clever. There is nothing hypocritical for following existing law even if one thinks that law should be changed. That goes for drivers who park for free on the street even though they think parking meters should be installed. Or even for Cavs fans who would be willing to pay more for season tickets but pay only what the franchise asks.

The whole point of taxation is that it's a collective enterprise. It's part of a larger social contract. Paying more toward the larger social good can be done through charitable donations or philanthropy, for example. But simply paying more in taxes than everyone else in my bracket because I like the idea makes me a sucker. In the absence of higher individual taxes I'll continue to pursue my self-interest by not paying more than I owe.
 
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I'm still waiting to hear if anyone on this board arguing for more government spending goes above and beyond his tax bill. Anyone?

says the guy that undoubtly wants a small goverment but also wants to pass laws keeping gays from marrying and limiting abortions.
 
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says the guy that undoubtly wants a small goverment but also wants to pass laws keeping gays from marrying and limiting abortions.

No, but thanks for assuming that's what I think. I'm actually pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. I think government should interfere as little as possible, and since I'm neither gay nor a woman, liberal policies tend to interfere with my life more than conservative policies do. Plus, other than those two issues, conservative policies are far less interfering than liberal policies in general.

Also, to those who aren't paying more than what they owe to the IRS: if you think the government should spend more, but aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, you're a hypocrite. Either lead by example, or quit yer bitchin'.
 
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No, but thanks for assuming that's what I think. I'm actually pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. I think government should interfere as little as possible, and since I'm neither gay nor a woman, liberal policies tend to interfere with my life more than conservative policies do. Plus, other than those two issues, conservative policies are far less interfering than liberal policies in general.

Also, to those who aren't paying more than what they owe to the IRS: if you think the government should spend more, but aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, you're a hypocrite. Either lead by example, or quit yer bitchin'.

LOL oh man, thats a good one so basically let me sum up what you just said in another way.

"except for the 2 most important social issues of our time, well 3 with gays in the military, the GOP generally wants to stay out of your lives" oh man, thats fantastic.

as for as paying extra taxes blow it out your ass. ill make a deal with you, ill pay your taxes when you stop using public roads. and a matter of a fact i think i should have to pay more taxes because I unlike yourself realize that there are 2 ways to solving a debt problem, the first is.... YOU FUCKING PAY IT BACK (shocking i know), the second is you reduce how much you owe. so go ahead take away my tax break just make sure you do it for the upper 10%ers that are doing nothing more than than shoveling the money into a bank somewhere to never use it.
 
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LOL oh man, thats a good one so basically let me sum up what you just said in another way.

"except for the 2 most important social issues of our time, well 3 with gays in the military, the GOP generally wants to stay out of your lives" oh man, thats fantastic.

as for as paying extra taxes blow it out your ass. ill make a deal with you, ill pay your taxes when you stop using public roads. and a matter of a fact i think i should have to pay more taxes because I unlike yourself realize that there are 2 ways to solving a debt problem, the first is.... YOU FUCKING PAY IT BACK (shocking i know), the second is you reduce how much you owe. so go ahead take away my tax break just make sure you do it for the upper 10%ers that are doing nothing more than than shoveling the money into a bank somewhere to never use it.

I want proof, beyond reasonable doubt, that gay marriage and abortion are the two most important social issues of our time. You have 2 days.

As for taxes, you're obviously obsessed with class warfare and attacking the upper 10%. Because you don't know, I'll tell you that most of those people in the top 10% aren't just stockpiling their money to never use, they're investing it either in capital stock or in their own companies. Investment creates jobs, which grows the economy, which helps the government take in more revenues. As a quick aside, numerous studies have been done that conclude that, no matter what tax rates are, the US federal government takes in approximately 18% of GDP in tax revenues in any given year. The only way to expand your precious tax base is to expand the economy, not raise the rates on the most productive Americans.

Roads are great and I'm not complaining about what the government spends on those (although they could spend the money more efficiently by making the bid process more competitive and not let unions get all the contracts, but I digress), but I am complaining about the NEA, the department of education, welfare, our broken SS and medicare systems, and other bloated entitlement programs. The entitlements are where we are really getting screwed, and there's no end in sight. If you fix those, you fix the budget and deficit problems, end of story.
 
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LOL oh man, thats a good one so basically let me sum up what you just said in another way.

"except for the 2 most important social issues of our time, well 3 with gays in the military, the GOP generally wants to stay out of your lives" oh man, thats fantastic.

as for as paying extra taxes blow it out your ass. ill make a deal with you, ill pay your taxes when you stop using public roads. and a matter of a fact i think i should have to pay more taxes because I unlike yourself realize that there are 2 ways to solving a debt problem, the first is.... YOU FUCKING PAY IT BACK (shocking i know), the second is you reduce how much you owe. so go ahead take away my tax break just make sure you do it for the upper 10%ers that are doing nothing more than than shoveling the money into a bank somewhere to never use it.

Bob; don't you think employers are having a hard time figuring out what's next? Isn't that the biggest reason they are not hiring right now? Of course they have the money, but because of the total uncertainty of what might happen next, they are sitting on it. Heck Bob; they still have no clue as to something basic... health care. Most of them are thinking they might have to drop it altogether. Others just don't know what to think. What many companies are now doing is hiring part-time only. That's not helping anything.

Also; how about the fact that YOUR privacy in regards to the government listening to your conversations has actually gone up since 2009? I don't see any outrage from liberals right now. You all bitched and whined at Bush for this exact thing but now since our leaders are doing the same and much, much more, you are silent. The number of criminal convictions coming out of this listening is also down since 2009. About 20% are convicted of something. That's not a good rate at all. Our privacy is getting less and less under Obama. Here I thought liberals were the Champions of such things.
 

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