Chris Grant - Cavaliers GM

[Jack Brickman]

Most vets don't feel threatened by rooks. I don't really care what line of bull Chris Grant used to convince Mayo to sign with us, he's just an example of the sort of player we could have taken a chance on and made part of our rebuilding plan or flipped for other assets.

My point was we had just drafted a two-guard with the fourth pick.

1. Why would we sign a guy that plays the same position and would hamper Waiters' development?

2. Why would Mayo want to come to a team that had just drafted a guy who plays his position? Sure, maybe veterans aren't threatened by rookies, but at best it seems like his position here would be a time-share.

3. Mayo has had incidents where he clashed with teammates and didn't appear to be a great locker room guy.

I just don't see the benefit for the Cavs or Mayo.

 

[adriano_leite]

8

Chris Grant made fantastic job with Cavaliers. Thanks to him we get leader of new Cavs, except that, a lot of draft picks and maybe in the future we have some luck like with Zeller. 2nd rounders plus "bad 1st round picks" can give you a talent like Zeller. The best thing he did, except Kyrie, is that we didnt try something like Wizards did with Nene, Ariza and Okafor, we were patient and it gives us Kyrie. Waiters is fantastic pick, no matter how many ppl on this board bitching about that pick, most of them falling in love with Waiters. That says a lot about them/us, Chris Grant is paid for his job and we are not, maybe because it isn't NBA 2k series and Grant knows his job better than we do.

The thing that makes me pissed off is that we didnt make our bench stronger with NBA players, not D-leaguers.
Thats the only thing that makes Chris Grant 8 so far, if we have solid NBA bench players it would be perfect 10 for Chris Grant.

GO CAVS GO!!!

 

[Chris]

8

Chris Grant made fantastic job with Cavaliers. Thanks to him we get leader of new Cavs, except that, a lot of draft picks and maybe in the future we have some luck like with Zeller. 2nd rounders plus "bad 1st round picks" can give you a talent like Zeller. The best thing he did, except Kyrie, is that we didnt try something like Wizards did with Nene, Ariza and Okafor, we were patient and it gives us Kyrie. Waiters is fantastic pick, no matter how many ppl on this board bitching about that pick, most of them falling in love with Waiters. That says a lot about them/us, Chris Grant is paid for his job and we are not, maybe because it isn't NBA 2k series and Grant knows his job better than we do.

The thing that makes me pissed off is that we didnt make our bench stronger with NBA players, not D-leaguers.
Thats the only thing that makes Chris Grant 8 so far, if we have solid NBA bench players it would be perfect 10 for Chris Grant.

GO CAVS GO!!!

Um, I have a feeling the Cavs don't have a bench because Chris Grant doesn't actually want them to have one...yet.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Same here 8. And for basically the same things except the bold.

8. Somehow got a 2nd rounder out of DJ Kennedy, got 2 2nd rounders for a player not in the league, flipped Delonte and Telfair into Sessions who he then flipped into a 1st round pick (traded to get Zeller) and the chance to swap from Miami's god awful pick to what already looks like a low 20s pick from LAL, drafted a perennial all-star with a lot of ? marks before the draft, hasn't wasted our cap space on middle of the road free agents, appears to have been right on Dion, and found our best perimeter defender in the D-League. He'll get a 10 if TT pans out, we get that Sacto pick, and for what he accomplishes by the start of the 2013 season.

 

[adriano_leite]

Um, I have a feeling the Cavs don't have a bench because Chris Grant doesn't actually want them to have one...yet.

Yeah i know, but its really hard to watch Casspi, Sloan, Samardo, Leuer, Walton, they just look like if they are lost. We can loose with some pride at least, and not just to loose all lead when starters rest, because our second unit getting destroyed always when enter game. Its just pathetic and annoying to watch them out there.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Yeah i know, but its really hard to watch Casspi, Sloan, Samardo, Leuer, Walton, they just look like if they are lost. We can loose with some pride at least, and not just to loose all lead when starters rest, because our second unit getting destroyed always when enter game. Its just pathetic and annoying to watch them out there.

If we had a decent bench we would be 4 - 4 now, maybe 5 - 3. The thing I like about having a bad bench is it puts so much pressure on the starting 5 to play at 110% effort. Hopefully this becomes natural to them, so when we have a bench they only know one level.

 

[Jon]

I just don't see the benefit for the Cavs or Mayo.

Mayo was an just example. With enough cap space to sign two max free agents, we broke open the bank, and decided to take a chance on CJ Miles.

Yay?

 

[rabman_gold]

Mayo was an just example. With enough cap space to sign two max free agents, we broke open the bank, and decided to take a chance on CJ Miles.

Yay?

Isn't that because we would have to overpay for good players but not great players? We are an unpleasant place for players to come. Also, Grant gave up wisely on pursuing top free agents. If even the average ones weren't willing to play for us, then we had no choice. Finally, this year's crop absolutely stunk in the front office's mind. We're not going to buy big guns, we're trading for them or drafting them, thus the reason for the Bynum talk. We don't have the flexibility of Knicks, Celtics, Lakers, etc. So he can't please everybody...

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

I was, by far, the biggest proponent on this board for trying to strike a deal for Nic Batum. It may have gotten matched, but the effort would have been nice. I felt his game would mesh perfectly here, his age was just the right blend of experience yet still youthful/entering his prime. He plays a position of dire need and allows our current starter the ability to go back to the bench, where his services are most effective. To me, he was the perfect storm of FA signings this past offseason. So far, he's showing me that he is still trending upward. His game seems to be developing. I truly believe he knocks a year off of our rebuild plan.

So far, his ability to acquire key draft picks has been his biggest attribute, and it is one that cannot be discounted. Hitting on the majority of your first round picks is key, and so far I think he is definitely in the black there. TT is raw, so his demise isn't written in stone yet. His development will be a huge swing pick, either way, for Grant's resume.

As it stands, he gets a 6.5. I hate we didn't even take a swing at Batum. If we had, even if we missed in the end, I give him an 8. If Batum is a Cavs uni right now, I believe this team has a shot at the surprise team of the NBA thus far.

 

[KB]

Mayo was an just example. With enough cap space to sign two max free agents, we broke open the bank, and decided to take a chance on CJ Miles.

Yay?

What two free agents were worth max this summer that would have actually came here (Deron Williams would be a no go vecause of KI)

I mean shit, reports came out that Batum was offred the max by the Cavs, none would have been happy at that price imo

The only other player imo that would have been worth thinking of offering max money too would have been Hibbert.

The were two other players that may have been worth taking a chance on in Beasley or Anthony Randolph. But both of them have proven to be of poor character so far.

I have to admit though I would have liked taking a chance on Gerald Green in favor of CJ Miles. Though I think Green ended up getting over paid by the Pacers

Wes Johnson would have been interesting to give chance too imo

IMO if there are guys like Johnny Flynn still on the FA market around the deadline I expect they will be added after moves are made.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

What two free agents were worth max this summer that would have actually came here (Deron Williams would be a no go vecause of KI)

I mean shit, reports came out that Batum was offred the max by the Cavs, none would have been happy at that price imo

The only other player imo that would have been worth thinking of offering max money too would have been Hibbert.

The were two other players that may have been worth taking a chance on in Beasley or Anthony Randolph. But both of them have proven to be of poor character so far.

I have to admit though I would have liked taking a chance on Gerald Green in favor of CJ Miles. Though I think Green ended up getting over paid by the Pacers

Wes Johnson would have been interesting to give chance too imo

IMO if there are guys like Johnny Flynn still on the FA market around the deadline I expect they will be added after moves are made.

Never heard that and I can't believe he wouldn't jump on it if true. He wasn't a max guy, but he was worth what he got, imo(I believe it was 10.5).

 

[kovanovich]

IF Grant really thought he was forming a competent NBA bench to win now the past few years, he is at a 4. I don't think that was his intention, so I give him an 7. To make an 8, he needed to hit on more D-Leaguers to develop than just Gee.

Grant said that in the early days of the rebuild that the Cavs would target young, overlooked veterans who for one reason or another hadn't really worked out yet. I must say that Grant's record in identifying good players this way has been mixed at best...Casspi, Miles, Harangody, Erden...I'll give Grant the benefit of the doubt and not include Hollins in this group and instead just consider him a throw-in in the Sessions trade. So, not much invested in these guys (basically just Hickson whom the Cavs had clearly given up on anyway), but also not much to show for it. We can also add Leuer to this list, though it's too soon to say any much on him at this point.

The other route Grant has explored to fill out the roster is the D-League/UFA pool. He's been marginally more successful here. Gee has been a plus (though he quite frankly hasn't been too good this year with his poor shooting efficiency and subpar rebounding). Sloan and the other D-League PGs who have passed through have been meh at best. The Cavs are now in the third year (hard to believe) of the Samardo experiment, and he still hasn't amounted to much. Micheal Eric and Kevin Jones were given guaranteed money and couldn't even make the team.

He has not even bothered to use a second round pick.

I mean, you can't expect these routes to yield front line players, but we might have expected a bit more at this point.

 

[The Voice]

bc man, the cavs had 7 years to build a quality team around me and couldnt do it...i mean larry hughes, delonte west was bangin my moms it was awful here

Seven years with Danny Ferry, not Chris Grant. You wanted Larry Hughes and you held the team hostage.

Eh...I'd probably go with a 7.

Irving is the real deal, and we only got him because of a trade made by Grant. Of course, that was complete luck, but that's the NBA draft for you. It's all luck.

Riggggghtttttt

Waiters looks like he could be a star. He's obviously not as polished as Irving was last year, but neither is any other rookie. Once he learns how to get his shots to fall at the rim he'll be a lot more dangerous.

Everyone was up in arms with this pick and it's looking like he may pan out. He is pretty much a pure scorer.

Zeller looked good up until he broke his face. Remember, he was in the middle of the best game of his short career against a team with a good frontcourt. If nothing else, I can't see Zeller having anything other than a solid career.

If he's an average C in the NBA, I'll call the pick a success.

Really, the only pick that you can call a failure (right now) is the Thompson pick. And even then, I'm not really willing to call a guy a bust when he hasn't even played 82 games yet and is only 21. We all knew Thompson was a project. Whether he ever evolves into a finished product is the real question. Still, way too early to give up on him.

I disagree. Who in the draft would you have rather drafted that was drafted behind Thompson? Yeah Kawhi Leonard looks great, but he wasn't drafted until 15. I doubt many people in here wanted him that high.

I agree the product on the court has sucked, but that's rebuilding for you. Would you rather go the Wizards route and bring in a bunch of mediocre veterans that eat up all our cap space (and still be, what, 0-6?)? I'd much rather see Grant stay conservative and watch this team get another top ten (or five) pick this year, and then fill out the roster through free agency and trades either next summer or the summer after.

Plus, this team is actually pretty exciting to watch when Irving, Waiters, and Varejao are on the court. The real problem is how unwatchable it is when they're on the bench.

The issue is the bench other then Boobie Gibson. Grant hasn't had much to work with on the bench. The second round pick we traded (Justin Harper) that everyone was up in arms about was cut. He did what many other GMS do with their low second rounders and drafted a Euro.

Now lets move onto his ability to create assets out of nothing: A+

Kyrie Irving & Baron Davis for Mo Williams and Moon
Ramon Sessions for Lakers first + ability to swap this year: Sessions is a tank driver and to get anything for him other then a second rounder was amazing.
JJ Hickson (Retred Drew Gooden) for Omri Bird Shyt Casppi & Possible First
DJ Kennedy for Jeremy Pargo & 2nd rd pick: Shit for shit and a 2nd. -

 

[MirORich]

I give him a 7.5 so far.

To get to a 9, we have to nail our lottery pick this year, either use the Kings pick wisely in a trade or have it convert a 10-14 draft pick somewhere bw 2014-2016, and sign/trade a impact FA either in 2013 offseason or 2014 offseason.

It will be brilliant if we are championship contenders in 2015 and end up with a 10-14 pick from Sac. + our own 2015 pick + the Heats 2015 pick. Continue to replenish the young talent or package it all to gain another impact guy.

 

[Chris]

I think Grant has done a good job so far in getting us assets. It remains to be seen how he will use them. It takes two to tango.