Eagles 1st round pick watch

[BimboColesHair]

Also, as a native Clevelander, I am all for helping out the Browns in any way possible...Eagles starting Wentz is just that...so when you guys get the 1 and 2 picks in the draft next year, please hit on the picks.

 

[Surge]

Also, as a native Clevelander, I am all for helping out the Browns in any way possible...Eagles starting Wentz is just that...so when you guys get the 1 and 2 picks in the draft next year, please hit on the picks.

We'll trade back.

 

[Soda]

We'll trade back.

Funny, but probably true. They may, MAY, use one of those, then punt for a 2018 2nd first rounder & some shit in 2019.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Personally, I am happy that I should be watching an NFL caliber starting QB in person when I go to their week 5 game vs the Texans.

Bradford is on the very fringe of what could be considered NFL caliber starting QB.

Look, I hate to rain on the parade as it looks like you did a lot of justifying this trade, but there are a few things you forgot in your analysis (which I will admit you raised some good point)

1. Sam Bradford is not a good QB. At all. He is actually a pretty garbage QB who has somehow mananged to stay relevant for this long. Last year was the first time in his entire career he hit 7 YPA (with exactly 7). He had the 3rd worst QBR of a starter in the entire league. He is ideally a backup. He's about at the point where he has no business starting for an NFL franchise, and I'm not sure how people still fawn over him.

2. It wasn't the decision between Sam Bradford and Shaun Hill. There were other QBs on the market. McCown for a 4th rounder would have been a much better trade than what was given up for Bradford. McCown last year actually significantly outperformed Bradford with Barnidge as basically his only weapon. I'm not even convinced Bradford is better than McCown straight up let alone the huge difference in cost.

3. Bradford is essentially a one year rental. If Teddy actually can't come back next year then the Vikings are in deep, deep shit anyway. The only time it makes sense to trade valuable future assets for a one year rental is if you think you are a super bowl contendor with that rental (and even then it is debatable depending on the package). But the Vikings with this trade are not a super bowl contendor. I would put their super bowl odds at <.5%

4. The fans can go to hell. The GM in every instance should be making moves solely for the betterment of the football team. Farmer got a lot of fans in Cle for drafting Johnny CFL, but look where that ended up. You start making moves to appease the fans and you'll be sitting with them. Jacksonville fans were up in arms a few years ago and started fucking petitions to sign Tim Tebow stating 'what do you have to lose' The GM smartly did what was best for the team and it will result in more fans in the long run because he has built quite the young talented team there

LIke I said I really didn't want to be a dick, but this was just a horrendous trade. One of the worst in recent memory (the Indy trade for TR was also pretty outrageously bad. Yes, even at the time)

 

[The Oi]

Bradford under ordinary, non-panic circumstances is probably worth a...fourth rounder? third rounder at best? And only just because he's a QB which is THE premium position.

A first rounder for him is outrageous.

But yes, they do need a QB and they are a playoff team loaded with talent so you can't just waste a year here. If you feel that he's the best fit for the position there and there are no other holes on the team, go get him.

I think he would, on literally any other team, be a bottom 3 QB. But he has some talent there, so perhaps he's more like bottom 10 or so, which would be enough for a playoff berth, where anything can happen. And if the Vikes make the playoffs and Bradford performs well enough to win a game or two, the Vikes and the media aren't going to gaf what they gave up for him.

But as is...on paper, it's a putrid trade that deserves all the maligning it's getting. Any trade that takes the fans into consideration, if that's really what was done, is generally a terrible one. Or at the very least, it's a factor that should never have been taken into consideration.

Grade: F

 

[PIP]

We'll trade back.

Analytics suggest a center

 

[Surge]

Analytics suggest a center

Who is the best long snapper coming up? We've never really been able to replace Ryan Pontbriand.

 

[EdMonix11]

Bradford is on the very fringe of what could be considered NFL caliber starting QB.

Look, I hate to rain on the parade as it looks like you did a lot of justifying this trade, but there are a few things you forgot in your analysis (which I will admit you raised some good point)

1. Sam Bradford is not a good QB. At all. He is actually a pretty garbage QB who has somehow mananged to stay relevant for this long. Last year was the first time in his entire career he hit 7 YPA (with exactly 7). He had the 3rd worst QBR of a starter in the entire league. He is ideally a backup. He's about at the point where he has no business starting for an NFL franchise, and I'm not sure how people still fawn over him.

2. It wasn't the decision between Sam Bradford and Shaun Hill. There were other QBs on the market. McCown for a 4th rounder would have been a much better trade than what was given up for Bradford. McCown last year actually significantly outperformed Bradford with Barnidge as basically his only weapon. I'm not even convinced Bradford is better than McCown straight up let alone the huge difference in cost.

3. Bradford is essentially a one year rental. If Teddy actually can't come back next year then the Vikings are in deep, deep shit anyway. The only time it makes sense to trade valuable future assets for a one year rental is if you think you are a super bowl contendor with that rental (and even then it is debatable depending on the package). But the Vikings with this trade are not a super bowl contendor. I would put their super bowl odds at <.5%

4. The fans can go to hell. The GM in every instance should be making moves solely for the betterment of the football team. Farmer got a lot of fans in Cle for drafting Johnny CFL, but look where that ended up. You start making moves to appease the fans and you'll be sitting with them

LIke I said I really didn't want to be a dick, but this was just a horrendous trade. F- if I'm being generous.

Sam Bradford is actually a pretty good substitute for Teddy Bridgewater. Which would make him way better than your blistering hot take made him out to be.... PFF actually had Bradford ranked above Bridgewater last year (12th overall).

Yeah, he's struggled to stay healthy, but when he plays, he's pretty decent. He's good under pressure-- top completion % vs. pressure in the NFL, which he'll face a lot of in Minnesota since Teddy was the most pressured QB in the NFL last year (tons of 5 & 7 step drops in Norv's offense).

With regards to YPA, according to PFF Bradford's depth of target was at 7.4 last year. Bridgewater was at 7.5. The difference is entirely negligible....

Lets not forget how terrible Philly was last year. Bradford is going to an offense with Diggs, Treadwell, Rudolph and Peterson.

Is Bradford worth a 1st? No. But Minnesota has SB aspirations and didn't want to waste a year. They found a QB who is nearly a carbon copy of the QB they just lost and rolled the dice. I also think Teddy is a little overrated too....

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Sam Bradford is actually a pretty good substitute for Teddy Bridgewater. Which would make him way better than your blistering hot take made him out to be.... PFF actually had Bradford ranked above Bridgewater last year (12th overall).

Yeah, he's struggled to stay healthy, but when he plays, he's pretty decent. He's good under pressure-- top completion % vs. pressure in the NFL, which he'll face a lot of in Minnesota since Teddy was the most pressured QB in the NFL last year (tons of 5 & 7 step drops in Norv's offense).

With regards to YPA, Bradford was at 7.4 last year. Bridgewater was at 7.5. The difference is entirely negligible....

Lets not forget how terrible Philly was last year. Bradford is going to an offense with Diggs, Treadwell, Rudolph and Peterson.

Is Bradford worth a 1st? No. But Minnesota has SB aspirations and didn't want to waste a year. They found a QB who is nearly a carbon copy of the QB they just lost and rolled the dice.

Not going to go line by line dissecting this when you start off saying I had a hot take then proceed to use stats that are incorrect

So I'll just say good one

 

[EdMonix11]

Not going to go line by line dissecting this when you start off saying I had a hot take then proceed to use stats that are incorrect

So I'll just say good one

I edited my post because I accidentally omitted "depth of target" from my YPA point. The stats weren't incorrect.... They're still throwing the ball the same distance.

 

[Surge]

Haha, Vikings now saying they are giving first team reps to both Hill and Bradford to figure out who the starter will be...

Gave up your first rounder for "Hope he can beat our Shaun Hill!"

 

[PIP]

Bridgewater is probably healthier than Bradford right now

 

[AZ_]

Bridgewater is probably healthier than Bradford right now

Don't get trading a first round pick when they could have had a guy who started two AFC Championship games for next to nothing.

 

[PIP]

Don't get trading a first round pick when they could have had a guy who started two AFC Championship games for next to nothing.

America's team came calling prior to..

 

[Soda]

Let's not forget... There is also a 4th rounder (that can rise to a 2nd rounder with great performance) along with the 1st round pick.

Rick Spielman thinks that the Vikings are a Super Bowl contender because of Bradford. The reality of the situation (as he sees it) is Teddy Bridgewater threw 14 TDs and 9 pics and were in the playoffs last year, almost beating Seattle. The team should be better as a whole and he thought it was worth that pick to get a guy who he thinks can manage the game and put up mundane enough stats to get them back in that spot again.

Now. That said, I don't agree with Spielman. I think Bradford is a poor QB and I also think that the Packers are going to be significantly better this year than last.