Is Demarcus Cousins worth the risk??

[3 Ball...GOT IT]

People need to get the whole Varejao to OKC out of their head lol

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

There are dice...

These are dice I do not want to roll.

 

[CruiserNFL]

I'm not all for the "gotta have saints only on the team" theory, but Cousins is a special kind of sketchy, and there would have to be TONS of due diligence before that kid gets brought here.

Plus I'd fear a difficult contract situation in a year or two with him

The fact that some teams are scared off may actually help come contract time.....less suitors. You have to have a bit of good fortune to build a championship team, and this may be that chance. If you can trade TT and a low/mid first, I do that every time. AV and DC man the 4 and 5 spots. YOu now have Eastern Conference all stars at the 1, 4 and 5, with a developing rookie at 2. Plus, you have cap space galore and a ton of picks. An AV deal (ie, OKC) could still be in play, or not. AV and DC on the front seems formidable.

 

[Cavatt]

The fact that some teams are scared off may actually help come contract time.....less suitors. You have to have a bit of good fortune to build a championship team, and this may be that chance. If you can trade TT and a low/mid first, I do that every time. AV and DC man the 4 and 5 spots. YOu now have Eastern Conference all stars at the 1, 4 and 5, with a developing rookie at 2. Plus, you have cap space galore and a ton of picks. An AV deal (ie, OKC) could still be in play, or not. AV and DC on the front seems formidable.

I would be down with this, but I wonder if a guy like Cousins could take a backseat to a guy that is younger than he is. I don't think we have a guy who is enough of a badass to stand up to Cousins.

 

[PIP]

Cousins is the type of player the Spurs will get and mold... People forget how hard they went after JR Smith when he was acting like an ass in New Orleans...

 

[Rich]

I only see one possible scenario where ending up with Cousins could be a (very) good thing. It's actually somewhat realistic and along the same line as what's already being discussed elsewhere, but it would require both of these trades to happen:

Typical proposed OKC trade: TOR 1st, Perkins for Varejao. Lamb/PJ3 or anything else in return would only serve as a bonus in this scenario.

Trade with Sacramento: Cavs (or TOR) 2013 #1, TT, Gee for Cousins + a filler/bad contract. If need be, give them the rights to their #1 and add Waiters into the mix.

Again, both trades would have to take place in order for this to (hopefully) offset the cancer of a teammate that is Cousins. If the OKC deal were to happen first, we'd have the option of replacing the TOR 1st with our own if need be. Hell, I wouldn't even mind parting with Waiters (or Lamb) and tossing a #2 to OKC if it assured both of these would happen. Most of us would agree to make the OKC deal regardless, but in this case Perkins becomes almost as valuable as the TOR pick by playing the role of a hard-nosed vet who could set Cousins in line whenever he acts up. Combine Perk with Byron's presence and the upside of playing next to a budding stud in Kyrie -- I don't think we'd have to many issues with keeping Cousins' attitude in check.

Potentially losing Dion would suck, but this is a scenario that I could actually see working out in our favor in spite of that. Kyrie and a disciplined Cousins would be a deadly 1-2 combo; with lotto pick next year and insane amounts of cap space, I'd say we'd be in a great position going forward.

It would take a hell of a lot of luck and likely verbal agreements from the offices of both parties, but it's slightly plausible. I'm partial otherwise. It would be great to have a big of Cousins' caliber, and I think he'd be relatively happy anywhere not named Sacramento at this point, but we'd probably have to give up too much to counter the glaring risks, barring everything previously mentioned.

This guy just said hed trade waiters, tt, and next years first for Demarcus Cousins. Just thought that should be pointed out.

 

[pinoycavsfan]

with the cavs devoid of talent, i think it would be worth the risk getting cousins; and even if he doesn't pan out due to attitude, he could be a good trading chip to get other players the cavs need.

 

[abraxas]

Woe to the players that land in Sac after a Cousins deal. That organization, as I've written before, is toxic. On so many levels.

Having said that, even they know they need to turn it around. They need to do something, and Cousins is an easy target right now. Could be the beginning of trying desperately to turn the roster around (Evans will go next).

I love the idea of a Wolves-Sac-Cavs deal landing us Love and Minny netting Cousins. Probably never happen, but who knows with Minny. Anyone come up with a good 3-way here?

 

[brooks]

This guy just said hed trade waiters, tt, and next years first for Demarcus Cousins. Just thought that should be pointed out.

Of course I wouldn't do that straight-up and bare the risk of Cousins ruining our locker room. In case you didn't read everything, it would be completely contingent on an OKC deal as well, meaning we'd have a monster vet presence in Perkins, as well as a top-5 pick in TOR's. So we'd basically be at: Kyrie + Cousins + 2013 lotto versus Kyrie + Andy + Dion + 2013 lotto. Given we're trying to move Andy anyways, I'd bank on a sure-fire combo in Cousins/Kyrie and whatever player we draft next year over our current situation. As much as I wouldn't want to lose Waiters, it would free up the option of Goodwin, Shabazz, or McLemore without interfering with current commitments at the same position.

Do you think Sacramento would let Cousins go for anything less, anyways? If so, you're sadly mistaken.

Regardless, it's not like this would ever happen, nor should any play for Cousins happen without a guaranteed influx of veteran presence. Just fun to think about.

 

[Rich]

Of course I wouldn't do that straight-up and bare the risk of Cousins ruining our locker room. In case you didn't read everything, it would be completely contingent on an OKC deal as well, meaning we'd have a monster vet presence in Perkins, as well as a top-5 pick in TOR's. So we'd basically be at: Kyrie + Cousins + 2013 lotto versus Kyrie + Andy + Dion + 2013 lotto. Given we're trying to move Andy anyways, I'd bank on a sure-fire combo in Cousins/Kyrie and whatever player we draft next year over our current situation. As much as I wouldn't want to lose Waiters, it would free up the option of Goodwin, Shabazz, or McLemore without interfering with current commitments at the same position.

Do you think Sacramento would let Cousins go for anything less, anyways? If so, you're sadly mistaken.

Regardless, it's not like this would ever happen, nor should any play for Cousins happen without a guaranteed influx of veteran presence. Just fun to think about.

Then their asking price is far to high. Id suggest that even if cousins were a model citizen he still wouldnt be worth the last two drafts number 4 overall picks and this years lottery pick. Not for a center who still hasnt sniffed 50% shooting in his career.

 

[CruiserNFL]

Then their asking price is far to high. Id suggest that even if cousins were a model citizen he still wouldnt be worth the last two drafts number 4 overall picks and this years lottery pick. Not for a center who still hasnt sniffed 50% shooting in his career.

+1. Price will be no where near that high...not even close. TT + a low/mid #1 would, IMO, be the main ingredients to get er done.

 

[wremy]

Wait.. Did you mean to quote my post? I'm saying that Tyreke Evans is an issue on Sacramento as much as Cousins. Yes, I would prefer Kevin Love too, but that is an Amare Safari waiting to happen, IMO. ray:

No dude....sorry I did not mean to quote your post

 

[Marcus]

People need to get the whole Varejao to OKC out of their head lol

Why?

 

[KB]

Then their asking price is far to high. Id suggest that even if cousins were a model citizen he still wouldnt be worth the last two drafts number 4 overall picks and this years lottery pick. Not for a center who still hasnt sniffed 50% shooting in his career.

I hope the Cavs try use this whole Cousins thing to try and make a play for Love with Minny getting Cousins. Just seems like such a Kahn move.

 

[brooks]

Then their asking price is far to high. Id suggest that even if cousins were a model citizen he still wouldnt be worth the last two drafts number 4 overall picks and this years lottery pick. Not for a center who still hasnt sniffed 50% shooting in his career.

What do you think they'd be hoping to receive, out of curiosity? I agree with you - what I mentioned is overkill and should never happen without a mentor in Perk and a replacement piece in Lamb. Beyond that, I think you're severely underestimating the trade value of Cousins. Sub-50% shooting or not (the lack of a real PG to feed him the ball hasn't exactly helped the cause), he's still one of the most talented big men in the league, and not only will Sacramento be asking high, other teams around the league will be willing to shovel out a hefty sum in order to acquire him. A mid/late #1 in a weak draft + TT, as Cruiser said, would be laughed at by their FO, and deservedly so. You offer a future lotto + TT + and whoever else not named Kyrie/Andy to get that deal done, and you pray that no other team has made a better offer. Just because TT and Dion were drafted #4 does not mean they're valued as such around the league; in all likelihood, they're rated far worse than that by nearly everyone who doesn't follow the Cavs extensively, and I'm sure even most Cavs fans don't consider them to be the 4th best players of their respective drafts (well, maybe Dion).

I'd love to get Cousins for pennies on the dollar as well, but unfortunately that'll never happen.