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["CLEVELAND: Thirty-one thoughts for 31 points from the Splash Brothers in an awfully impressive 110-99 takedown of the Golden State Warriors on Thursday…

1. Two weeks ago, on the Friday afternoon of All-Star weekend, LeBron James and Steph Curry joined NBA Commissioner Adam Silver for an NBA service project at a midtown Manhattan school.

2. At one point, a discussion about the MVP race surfaced. NBA TV’s Matt Winer, the event’s moderator, referred to James as a four-time MVP and to Curry as the favorite to win it this year. I wasn’t taking notes so I’m paraphrasing here, but James paused before offering a flimsy endorsement, agreeing with the idea Curry is the favorite to win. I remember thinking at the time, “There is absolutely no way he actually believes that.” His performance Thursday perhaps introduced his candidacy for a late run at a fifth trophy of his own.

3. James was out on the court shooting at least 2 1/2 hours before this game because he wanted to see the ball going in the hoop. It went in 23 more times during the game – 15 from the field, eight from the free-throw line on a night he fought a stiff back to produce one of his best performances of the season.

4. “If a guy plays like that with a sore back, imagine what he’s going to do when he doesn’t have a sore back,” David Blatt joked.

5. In 20 games since returning from his two-week siesta, James is second in the league in scoring (behind Harden) at 27.2 points. He’s also averaging 6.5 rebounds and 6.8 assists in that time. Most impressively: The Cavs are 35-12 when he plays and 2-10 when he doesn’t. Sounds like an MVP candidate to me.

6. James continues to downplay his interest in the race, but that seems to be a façade. He is acutely aware of his place in history and knows he is one more trophy away from tying Michael Jordan and Bill Russell with five. He’s two away from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s record of six.

7. “I think he took it a little personal,” J.R. Smith said. “A lot of MVP (discussions) and he’s not in that. But that’s just the competitive guy he is.”

8. If James loses out on the award this year, it will be because the first six weeks of the season were his undoing. Either that or else James Jones is right. I was chatting with Jones weeks ago about LeBron’s absence from seemingly all MVP debates.

9. “People get used to greatness,” Jones said. “They’re always looking for something new or fresh. Sometimes greatness becomes ordinary. But he’s the best player in the league.”

10. Warriors coach Steve Kerr joked before the game that Michael Jordan twice made it to three straight Finals and retired both times.

11. “It just absolutely saps the life out of you year after year, especially for a guy like LeBron who is the focal point of everything in this league and for his team, the energy he expends at both ends of the floor,” Kerr said. “He wasn't himself to start the season. How could he be after this four-year run? The fact that now he's motoring along and playing at a really high level speaks to his competitiveness. I think that break probably helped him quite a bit emotionally, just as much as it did physically.

12. Add up all of James’ preseason and postseason minutes, coupled with his Team USA commitments (13 games in 2012) and James has appeared in 415 games and played 15,674 minutes just during the time he was a member of the Miami Heat. Run the numbers: He crammed five full NBA regular seasons into the span of four years. For perspective, Kevin Love is in his seventh NBA season and has yet to play even 14,000 minutes for his entire career.

13. “I wouldn’t trade it for anything else,” James said. “I would love to keep getting drained. I’ve been part of five Finals and it’s very draining, but I’ll take it.”

14. Any celebration over this victory will have to wait until the results are back on Kyrie Irving’s MRI. It’s surprising, if he needs an MRI, that he was even put back in the game in the fourth quarter. The initial in-game injury update indicated Irving shoulder was “bumped” but he was fine. If he’s headed to the Clinic, clearly all is not well.

15. Irving is listed as doubtful for Friday’s game against the Pacers, a team that ended the Cavs’ 12-game winning streak three weeks ago at Bankers Life Fieldhouse. This is why the Cavs were searching for another point guard at the trade deadline. It will be curious to see which way Blatt plays this.

16. Common sense would indicate Matthew Dellavedova starts at point guard, but it wouldn’t completely shock me to see Iman Shumpert in the starting rotation. James is the pseudo point guard anyway and Shumpert has also played there in spurts this season. Again, the smart money is on Delly starting, but I don’t think that’s a lock at this point.

17. I was really impressed with J.R. Smith tonight. Twice he passed up wide open 3-pointers, hitting Kevin Love on a terrific look in the corner once and swinging to Irving for a 3-pointer another time. The defensive efforts from Smith, Shumpert and Irving were all impressive on the Splash Brothers, who combined to shoot just 10 of 30.

18. “Spectacular,” was how James characterized the backcourt’s defensive effort. “The New York boys did their job tonight.”

19. Curry shot 1 of 10 in the second half, including missing his final six shots. His final shot of the night was an air ball on a 3-point attempt in the final minute, sort of an indicator of how his entire night went.

20. “I hope (the MVP award) is not handed out on this one game,” Curry said. “I hope it’s about the body of work. Tonight wasn’t my best game. Shots that I normally make didn’t fall tonight.”

21. Funny moment after the game. Blatt said before the game he didn’t view this as a litmus test because, “I think we know what we’re capable of doing,” he said, “and I think we’ve shown that.”

22. So after the game I made the mistake of mentioning that whole litmus test thing before asking what kind of message this win sends to the rest of the league. Blatt asked what color litmus paper turns during a test, to which no one in the press conference had the answer. I guessed yellow, but I cheated my way to Cs in science. Blatt was shocked no one knew the answer, but of course he’s the Princeton grad.

23. “I didn’t study Chemistry,” he said. “I stayed as far away from the Chemistry department and Engineering quad at Princeton than you can imagine. I stayed in my English Literature area. Stayed in my lane. But whatever color litmus test was, then we passed the litmus test. We were a positive on that, yes.”

24. It was a long way to go for an answer to a fairly simple question.

25. “Somebody is going to be mad at me,” Blatt said. “I’m going to get a call from one of my friends who says, ‘You dummy, you don’t know anything.’ I know it’s going to happen.”

26. The Cavs continue to swallow up huge chunks of ground on the rest of East teams not named Atlanta. They have won all four of their games coming out of the All-Star break and have moved into first place again in the Central Division and third overall in the East, a game ahead of the Bulls. They’re now just 1 1/2 games behind the Raptors for the second seed and they play at Toronto next week. The Raptors enter the weekend on a three-game losing streak.

27. After Derrick Rose’s latest knee injury, Magic Johnson already took to Twitter to declare the Cavs Eastern Conference champs. James, however, isn’t getting caught up in predictions and declarations at this point, even when they come from a five-time champion.

28. “It means nothing, really,” James said of Magic’s tweet. “As a team we have to go out and we have to play. Words can only take you so far no matter who they come from. You have to go out and produce.”

29. The schedule is dramatically stiffening the next few weeks and this was a terrific way to kick it off, particularly since it was the only game of the night and the entire league was watching. The Cavs absolutely delivered a message to the other 29 teams, but guys were slow to admit that.

30. “We really don’t want to send a message to anybody, we just want to keep impressing ourselves,” Smith said. “I’m sure the rest of the league is looking at it like, ‘Oh my God they just beat arguably the best team in the league.’ But we feel as though we’re the best team.”

31. They just might be. Talk to you Friday from Indianapolis."]

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland...ebron-s-mvp-candidacy-kyrie-s-injury-1.570325
 
I told yall in the game thread my prediction for this game..


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20. “I hope (the MVP award) is not handed out on this one game,” Curry said. “I hope it’s about the body of work. Tonight wasn’t my best game. Shots that I normally make didn’t fall tonight.”

It's really offputting to me to hear him lobbying for himself. Not good form, Steph.
 
20. “I hope (the MVP award) is not handed out on this one game,” Curry said. “I hope it’s about the body of work. Tonight wasn’t my best game. Shots that I normally make didn’t fall tonight.”

It's really offputting to me to hear him lobbying for himself. Not good form, Steph.
Let him lobby all he wants..won't get him a ring which is the most important thing .

Thats what the Cavs want more.
 
20. “I hope (the MVP award) is not handed out on this one game,” Curry said. “I hope it’s about the body of work. Tonight wasn’t my best game. Shots that I normally make didn’t fall tonight.”

It's really offputting to me to hear him lobbying for himself. Not good form, Steph.

Off balanced, fadeaway 3 point shots are ones he normally makes? Dion, is that you?
 
20. “I hope (the MVP award) is not handed out on this one game,” Curry said. “I hope it’s about the body of work. Tonight wasn’t my best game. Shots that I normally make didn’t fall tonight.”

It's really offputting to me to hear him lobbying for himself. Not good form, Steph.

Didn't he also have a quote after the game complaining about the officiating, too? Hey, Steph...

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INDIANAPOLIS: Twenty-one thoughts for 21 points from J.R. Smith in an experimental 93-86 loss to the Indiana Pacers on Friday…

1. When David Blatt was discussing his decision to rest LeBron James tonight, among his points was that this game provided an opportunity for others to do something out of the ordinary. That helps explain how Matthew Dellavedova took more shots than J.R. Smith, but it also explains Iman Shumpert’s second half.

2. For all the howls and criticisms lobbed at Delly, he’s not going anywhere. Blatt and the rest of this coaching staff loves him, and watching him get tossed to the ground while fighting 7-foot-2 Roy Hibbert for a rebound helps explain why. Of course, a career-high 18 shots tonight did seem a bit aggressive for someone shooting 36 percent this season...

3. The Cavs did try to upgrade the backup point guard position prior to the trade deadline, but couldn’t execute a deal. That means Delly will remain the backup, but Shumpert could be looming as a wild card.

4. To be clear, James and Kyrie Irving will be the primary ball handlers in the postseason. But strange things seem to happen in playoff series and the Cavs have plenty of options available at multiple positions to mix and match as necessary. They’re deep at wing, they have frontcourt depth now with the addition of Kendrick Perkins. They can play big and physical or go small and run. But the one place they remain limited is point guard since there are only two on the roster and Delly’s limitations are evident.

5. So Blatt took this opportunity to put the ball in Shumpert’s hands and he delivered mixed results. Shumpert had 14 points, 10 rebounds and five turnovers. He was a point guard until he reached the NBA, but now he is considered a “3 and D” player.

6. Shumpert conceded he was overly excited to have the ball in his hands again and was rushing in the first half. The coaches told him at halftime to slow down and relax. He responded with 12 points, eight rebounds and only two turnovers in more than 23 minutes in the second half.

7. “I played (point guard) most of my life, then when I got to the pros I had to learn the other stuff,” Shumpert said. “It’s been awhile since I’ve had the ball in my hands. Not only do you gotta knock the rust off, you’ve got to get used to the new guys you’re playing with.”

8. Since they were unable to make a trade, the Cavs will have a hard time now finding a point guard on the free agent market. There will be options available, such as Will Bynum returning from China within the next couple weeks, but the Cavs are out of roster spots.

9. In order to add anyone now, the Cavs would have to cut some bone. They won’t release Joe Harris because he’s a good shooter on a cheap contract under team control for the foreseeable future. That’s valuable both to the Cavs and as a trade chip this summer. They won’t cut Brendan Haywood because his unique contract is too valuable in trade this summer.

10. See where this is headed? That leaves guys close to James such as James Jones and Mike Miller. But Jones started tonight in place of James and Blatt loves how he keeps himself ready to play and can remain effective despite sporadic playing time. Miller has fallen completely out of the rotation and at times looks like he’s struggling to move up and down the court, but holds a player option for next season that automatically becomes guaranteed if he’s released.

11. Miller and Jones are both tremendous influences in the locker room and both have a wealth of postseason experience. The Cavs are prepared to have some difficult conversations if the right opportunity presents itself, but that seems highly unlikely at this point. And by “right opportunity,” it would have to be a point guard that is clearly and dramatically an upgrade over Dellavedova. The Cavs don’t believe Bynum fits that, at least not at the opportunity cost of who they would have to lose off this roster.

12. David Griffin has done a terrific job making this roster fit together, but he’s essentially working with a 13-man roster at this point because Anderson Varejao is still taking up a spot and so is Haywood. Neither is giving the Cavs much of anything.

13. That brings it back to Shumpert and Friday’s opportunity to take a good look at him with the ball in his hands. He didn’t sound overly sold on the idea, but Shumpert could at least be that “break glass in case of emergency” option at point guard that Perkins will likely become at center.

14. “A game like this kind of helps you gauge that,” Blatt said. “I thought Iman did pretty well. A lot of it has to do with what we run to make it easier for him. Iman in the past has played a little bit of point. It’s not his natural position, it’s not what you want to go to the bank with, but in a moment of need he can do the job.”

15. Not much else to talk about from this one, other than the Cavs’ impressive grit to continually fight back despite being so short-handed. “We didn’t come here to lose,” Shumpert said.

16. The Bulls moved a game ahead of them in the standings, knocking the Cavs back into the fourth seed, but that seems short-lived. The Raptors need a hug, a therapist or both. They’ve lost four in a row and they’re a wreck right now, while the Bulls will likely drop without Derrick Rose. The path is clear for the Cavs to move up to No. 2 in the East.

17. Fans complaining about a lost opportunity tonight are missing the bigger picture. Resting James was the right call and it should happen a couple more times before the season is over. James expended a lot of energy in Thursday’s win over the Warriors and Blatt said tonight he didn’t realize the condition of James’ back when he declared after the win over the Warriors he wasn’t planning on resting James.

18. It’s important to play the long game. Dropping a game here or there is well worth it if the payoff is a healthy James in April, May and June. The Cavs still have plenty of time to catch the Raptors, particularly since they play at Toronto next week. The Cavs are at the front end of a stretch that includes seven games in 10 days. That’s a lot of wear and tear on anyone, particularly James.

19. The Cavs had some problems getting to Indianapolis. Their charter after Thursday’s game was grounded due to mechanical issues, but only after they sat on the runway for two hours. So the players went home and returned for a late morning flight on Friday. It’s rare for a team to fly the day of a game, but since it’s such a short flight it wasn’t that big of a deal.

20. It was amusing, however, listening to players and staff explain walking into their houses at 3 a.m. and scaring the crap out of spouses who obviously were sound asleep and not expecting anyone.

21. Irving is expected to rejoin the team in Houston and Blatt is hopeful both he and James will be available for Sunday’s nationally televised game against the Rockets. Talk to you then.

www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-1.275356/pacers-93-cavs-86-jason-lloyd-s-21-final-thoughts-on-shumpert-point-guards-and-a-busted-plane-1.570717
 
Everyone including Curry himself knows that Lebron is easily the best and most valuable player in the NBA. The only reason Curry and Harden lead in many people's mind for the MVP is because they are not Lebron James.
 
I don't think Lebron is disliked as much anymore. I think people just got over it. I still don't like him cause he is the wall that stands in the way of my team but it has nothing to do with him being Lebron. If he played in the west I probably wouldn't feel the same way about him.

I have said many times (defending the DRose MVP) but best player does not equal MVP. If your team improved vastly to contender status and has dealt with injuries and they still have one of the best records that goes a long way with coaches and media. Both of these can be applied to the Harden (Dwight) and Curry (Bogut and Lee). It's really the only Charles and Karl Malone won MVPs while the Bulls and Jordan were wrecking the league. Those two years their team had better records than the Bulls. The year Derrick won it the Bulls improved by 21 games while dealing with tons of injuries. Also it was aided by Lebron being vilified. But even if he was still lovable Lebron I think they still would have given it to Derrick because of the leap the team made.
 
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The problem is that the Bulls in 2011 were great because of their #1 defense and #1 rebounding (which Rose had nothing to do with), not their mediocre offense. Rose is the worst MVP of all time.
 
The problem is that the Bulls in 2011 were great because of their #1 defense and #1 rebounding (which Rose had nothing to do with), not their mediocre offense. Rose is the worst MVP of all time.

Just not true.
 
A pre-injury Derrick Rose, particularly during that MVP season, was looking like the second coming of Dwyane Wade. Not true at all.
 
On the D-Rose MVP in 2011, I think 20 years from now we will look back at the LeBron James era and the Rose MVP will sort of stick out, since he hasn't come close to MVP any other year and I don't see him competing for it again the rest of his career. The great players in Rose's more immediate cohort -- guys who came into the league from 2007-09 -- will likely be viewed as Harden, Curry, Durant, and Westbrook. This mini-generation is slowly overtaking LeBron and CP3, the two greatest players who came into the league in the 2000-2006 time period. (I would also put Wade in this group, but he is no longer an elite player and has already clearly been surpassed by the younger guys.) It's been interesting seeing LeBron fully motivated the last couple of games in a transparent effort to show he isn't quite ready to concede best player status to Harden or Curry.
 
On the D-Rose MVP in 2011, I think 20 years from now we will look back at the LeBron James era and the Rose MVP will sort of stick out, since he hasn't come close to MVP any other year and I don't see him competing for it again the rest of his career. The great players in Rose's more immediate cohort -- guys who came into the league from 2007-09 -- will likely be viewed as Harden, Curry, Durant, and Westbrook. This mini-generation is slowly overtaking LeBron and CP3, the two greatest players who came into the league in the 2000-2006 time period. (I would also put Wade in this group, but he is no longer an elite player and has already clearly been surpassed by the younger guys.) It's been interesting seeing LeBron fully motivated the last couple of games in a transparent effort to show he isn't quite ready to concede best player status to Harden or Curry.

other than the FTs tonight its obvious he is better than harden. lebron guarded harden the entire 4th, and all of OT and helded harden to 5 points over that span. Harden... played lebron a couple of possessions in OT
 

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