Farewell, Richard Jefferson.

[cavsfever]

But that is why we need depth, to prevent those injuries. Sometimes there are freak injuries, but we have to control the minutes much better than before so we can be fresh and healthy for the playoffs.

Yeah, that is a key depth need. The wave of the future is to keep your stars in the low 30s or even high 20s during the regular season. Nobody on the Warriors played more than 32.7 MPG last year (Curry). We didn't come close to that. We need four to five non-starters we can put out there who can actually keep us in regular season ballgames as opposed to falling apart, so that we don't have to have Kyrie or Lebron out there all the time. Last year we didn't have that, especially during the first part of the year. This year we hopefully will, with Shump, Mo, Jefferson, TT, AV if he is healthy, Delly.

 

[Willard513]

I think depth is fine, RJ being able to be a better James Jones will be pretty vital in my opinion. Especially when we run small ball.

Im also interested in bully ball/big ball lineups such as
LBJ
Shump
JR(assuming he is back)
RJ
TT/Moz.

He is quite versatile if you ask me and his percentages from three have been excellent the past few years.

 

[Ruggeder]

You put up post after post with the tone that the Cavs have done nothing, then qualify the success of the moves that were made with a bunch of "if this, if that" scenarios. So many things had to fall into place for the Cavs to go 6 games into the finals last season, and you seem to dismiss it all as luck with the front office deserving no credit. When Varejao went down and Dion continued to suck it became apparent that the Cavs badly needed a legit rim protector and some athletic wings, and pretty much no-one could have assumed we'd end up with the kind of talent that put us over the hump with what you call "cast-offs".

What moves should we have made that we failed to make? My beef with you is you seem to assume the Cavs have all these wonderful options that we're passing on in favor of inferior moves. Why do you imaging this is happening, is it because Griffin is stupid, or he just isn't trying? Or that if you were in his shoes you could have done better?

That's why I'm saying you're living in a fantasy world.

We're (I'm?) talking this off season, not during last year. So the only thing to talk about is Mo and Jefferson. I hope Jefferson plays better then miller and Marion. On paper he should so great. Mo is certainly better offensively then Delly, so great. Hopefully that all works out.

As far as the offseason goes, I'm not an insider and I have no special knowledge of who was available, but I feel like with the people bouncing around and past history, someone could have been gotten. For the record I wasn't someone thinking Wade would come here for peanuts or thought we could trade Haywood for Durant. I am realistic, and realistically I'm sure more could have been done.

 

[BigJ]

We're (I'm?) talking this off season, not during last year. So the only thing to talk about is Mo and Jefferson. I hope Jefferson plays better then miller and Marion. On paper he should so great. Mo is certainly better offensively then Delly, so great. Hopefully that all works out.

As far as the offseason goes, I'm not an insider and I have no special knowledge of who was available, but I feel like with the people bouncing around and past history, someone could have been gotten. For the record I wasn't someone thinking Wade would come here for peanuts or thought we could trade Haywood for Durant. I am realistic, and realistically I'm sure more could have been done.

So you are basically implying Griff sitting on his hands ? from what we heard it was quite the opposite they engaged Teams activly about a Haywood deal.

It seems that you are wrong. deal with it our FO has propably done all it could regarding Haywood. just because we WISH we got something great for him doesnt make other Teams surrender quality players for just cap space.

It actually takes another Team to do a trade imagine that..

Right now before the season as most years many Teams wont just Trade good players for Cap Space because 20-25 Teams "think" "we will try to make the playoffs". By the Trade Deadline 5-10 of them realise it wont happen and they will be far more inclined to trade a solid player for cap relief. because if you arent making the playoffs you can as well save some money..

 

[Lee]

So you are basically implying Griff sitting on his hands ? from what we heard it was quite the opposite they engaged Teams activly about a Haywood deal.
..

He is implying Ferry was sitting on Griff's hands.

 

[Man Called X]

He is implying Ferry was sitting on Griff's hands.

You have been on fire with the corny jokes recently.

Clearly the RJ signing has you amped.

 

[OldSkool]

I like the RJ signing. It pushes JJ/Miller both down a spot on the bench.

 

[Soar]

I like the RJ signing. It pushes JJ/Miller both down a spot on the bench.

So we hope.

I'd also like to see if somehow Miller can get healthy and sorta in shape again.

While guys do fall off a cliff, it just seems odd that Miller played in 82 games averaging like 20 minutes a game for the Grizzlies the year before coming to Cleveland.

 

[malus]

I know I just mentioned this recently, and it will mostly fall on deaf ears, but, to everybody complaining about the Cavs not upgrading their talent enough: Golden State lost in the first round in 2014, returned their top eight players and added Shaun Livingston and won the title. What the Cavs are hoping to do isn't unprecedented.

I don't think "Take a first round exit team, and add Shaun Livingston level player" is going to be looked at as the new formula for success. Most people probably look at Golden State's revamped coaching staff and abnormal amount of depth (due to Curry's extremely team friendly contract and good drafting) as the reason for their run. That and seeing improvement from their young core.

I mean, we could win next season even if we didn't add Mo or Jefferson. I'm sure the Cavs though are still looking to improve as always.

Anyways, I was hoping to add a couple solid role players this offseason. Mo makes the cut, but I'm not expecting much from Jefferson.

 

[Randolphkeys]

So we hope.

I'd also like to see if somehow Miller can get healthy and sorta in shape again.

While guys do fall off a cliff, it just seems odd that Miller played in 82 games averaging like 20 minutes a game for the Grizzlies the year before coming to Cleveland.

The struggles of last year's bench goes back to the failure of Dion Waiters in progressing. If Dion embraces a role as drive and kick facilitator for the bench while working off the ball when Kyrie and LeBron are in, the shooting specialist bench has balance. Without Dion embracing his role, Miller just became an open guy on the wing who doesn't get the ball and a defensive liability on the other side of the court.

While I'm at it, I figured I'd admit to being very apprehensive about Griffin when he got the job. I took a "prove it" attitude because Grant gave him a wealth of assets to work with. I was in favor of the Love trade after seeing how much work Wiggins needed to put in, but I still wasn't completely on board until I saw his work getting Mozgov. It took a lot of picks and some masterful manipulation of trade exemptions, but he made a starting center appear out of duct tape and chicken wire. That buys Griffin a little more rope with me this summer.

 

[Lee]

You have been on fire with the corny jokes recently.

Clearly the RJ signing has you amped.

It is a gift from the basketball comedic gods.

 

[texascavsfan]

It is a curse from the basketball comedic gods.

fixed..

 

[Kevin Ollie]

I don't think "Take a first round exit team, and add Shaun Livingston level player" is going to be looked at as the new formula for success. Most people probably look at Golden State's revamped coaching staff and abnormal amount of depth (due to Curry's extremely team friendly contract and good drafting) as the reason for their run. That and seeing improvement from their young core.

I mean, we could win next season even if we didn't add Mo or Jefferson. I'm sure the Cavs though are still looking to improve as always.

Anyways, I was hoping to add a couple solid role players this offseason. Mo makes the cut, but I'm not expecting much from Jefferson.

All I'm trying to say is that teams can not win a title one year, and then win a title the next year without a huge influx of talent. Therefore there is no need to be whiny and filled with panic that the Cavs haven't added a ton of talent to their team, which a few people have been doing.

You can't honestly think that my point was adding Shaun Livingston is the key to success, right? Do I seem that stupid to you?

 

[Marcus]

I know I just mentioned this recently, and it will mostly fall on deaf ears, but, to everybody complaining about the Cavs not upgrading their talent enough: Golden State lost in the first round in 2014, returned their top eight players and added Shaun Livingston and won the title. What the Cavs are hoping to do isn't unprecedented.

I wish we could sticky this post.

I think everyone is just disappointed because of the lack of movement with Haywood, but there is still time to make moves later in the year with a possible TPE. There's still a week until he's fully guaranteed, anyway. Who's to say the Cavs won't all of a sudden pull a move we never saw coming?

I'm very pleased with this offseason. They just need to bring back the last three guys (which I don't see any of them leaving) and bring aboard a backup big. They entered this offseason needing more depth on the wing and at the point and they got it.

Sign back the other three guys, bring Kaun/Christmas on board, and get ready for next season.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I wish we could sticky this post.

I think everyone is just disappointed because of the lack of movement with Haywood, but there is still time to make moves later in the year with a possible TPE. There's still a week until he's fully guaranteed, anyway. Who's to say the Cavs won't all of a sudden pull a move we never saw coming?

I'm very pleased with this offseason. They just need to bring back the last three guys (which I don't see any of them leaving) and bring aboard a backup big. They entered this offseason needing more depth on the wing and at the point and they got it.

Sign back the other three guys, bring Kaun/Christmas on board, and get ready for next season.

People are only disappointed because the Mills/Diaw and then Joe Johnson rumors were hitting a fever pitch. I for one think we have certainly gotten a lot more value for our dollars as well as preserved our flexibility by not adding JJ. Patience is a virtue.