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This Australian Comic’s Take on America’s Absurd Gun Laws is Brilliant (Video)

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The bold is pretty absurd. You basically admit in the italics that guns would limit mass massacres (which the video focuses on), but try to justify your stance with an absurd assumption that without guns people would start running over innocent children with a car/truck/suv, or start to stab multiple people, neither of which would ever happen.

You curiously left out "bomb" from his quote.

That's interesting since some of the most notorious acts of violence in US history have not been at the hands of guns.

9/11 and the OKC bombing have something to say.

Just recently, Suge Knight obviously didn't need a gun to run dudes over rather than shoot them.

Further, in China (where they aren't allowed to carry guns), just dealt with a mass stabbing this last year.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/china-mass-stabbings-yunnan-kunming-rail-station
 
The bold is pretty absurd. You basically admit in the italics that guns would limit mass massacres (which the video focuses on), but try to justify your stance with an absurd assumption that without guns people would start running over innocent children with a car/truck/suv, or start to stab multiple people, neither of which would ever happen. The types of people who commit single event mass murder crimes are dependent on guns, because they're too incompetent to commit a close quarters violent crime.

Second, I can't honestly believe you've never ever been in a situation where you've had to pull and use a weapon on someone who was threatening yourself or your family, let alone one where your government was the culprit. The notion to defend yourself from a situation that hasn't ever existed to you personally lumps you into the mass media fearmonger crowd.

Tell that to the family of the dead people who have.

As mentioned by someone already, there are thousands of cases that you never hear about in the media, where people use a gun to defend themselves. Regardless, I won't sit around and be a statistic.

Lump me wherever you please.
 
You curiously left out "bomb" from his quote.

That's interesting since some of the most notorious acts of violence in US history have not been at the hands of guns.

9/11 and the OKC bombing have something to say.

Just recently, Suge Knight obviously didn't need a gun to run dudes over rather than shoot them.

Further, in China (where they aren't allowed to carry guns), just dealt with a mass stabbing this last year.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/china-mass-stabbings-yunnan-kunming-rail-station

I'll throw bombs in there, too. First world trade, I assume you're talking about? I'd throw Ol Ted in there, but that was a serial event.

Suge Knight hit two people while running away from being attacked.

No one has gone onto a military base, or into a school and blew the place up, or ran people over with cars, or stabbed a dozen people to death. I'm going to absolutely discredit your article, because the "mass stabbing" wasn't the result of a single, armed individual nor was it in the United States. I'd gladly recant the no stabbings claim if you can find a mass school stabbing.
 
I'll throw bombs in there, too. First world trade, I assume you're talking about? I'd throw Ol Ted in there, but that was a serial event.

Suge Knight hit two people while running away from being attacked.

No one has gone onto a military base, or into a school and blew the place up, or ran people over with cars, or stabbed a dozen people to death. I'm going to absolutely discredit your article, because the "mass stabbing" wasn't the result of a single, armed individual nor was it in the United States. I'd gladly recant the no stabbings claim if you can find a mass school stabbing.

You'll throw bombs in there... So will a bunch of shitheads if guns were completely abolished. The point is you take away somebody's easy path to complete their death mission, they'll find the next easiest tool of destruction.

Suge Knight is one of the most infamous pieces of shit in the news spanning from the 90's. You think he was under attack at the set of new NWA movie? Not to mention there's witnesses and videotape that were enough to land his ass homicide charges. We'll see how that plays out... :chuckle:

So now there's no such things as mass stabbing in a school?

Interesting, from April 25th of last year:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/25/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/


A teenager tackled by a vice principal refused to drop the knives he'd used to stab 21 at his Pittsburgh-area high school, saying, "My work is not done, I have more people to kill," according to a criminal complaint released Friday.


Recant not granted.
 
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Ironic, because a guy with a gun could have prevented him from stabbing anyone. A guy with a gun could prevent another guy with a gun from killing another person.
 

This video is pretty much what most Australians think regarding US gun control. For those passionate about their rights to carry arms, would love to hear your stance/opposition to this after watching the video. Would also love to hear from those who agree.

I know that this kind of thing can be a rather tense subject so let's keep it nice and civil fellas!

I'm a massive fan of Jefferies but i tend to find his more scatalogical and mysogynistic Jokes better. He's a hell of a storyteller though, the final part of alcoholocaust is probably the best bit I've ever seen.
 
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You'll throw bombs in there... So will a bunch of shitheads if guns were completely abolished. The point is you take away somebody's easy path to complete their death mission, they'll find the next easiest tool of destruction.

Suge Knight is one of the most infamous pieces of shit in the news spanning from the 90's. You think he was under attack at the set of new NWA movie? Not to mention there's witnesses and videotape that were enough to land his ass homicide charges. We'll see how that plays out... :chuckle:

So now there's no such things as mass stabbing in a school?

Interesting, from April 25th of last year:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/25/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/





Recant not granted.

And again, that's one incident where one person died. Not twenty one. One. I guarenteed that had that kid had a gun, that number would have been higher.
 
The Declaration of Independance is the first document where America recognizes its own sovereignty. It is the foundation of this country.

Here is the first 1.5 paragraphs of that document unabridged.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I don't think there is any confusion what is being said here. These two paragraphs explicitly state that government is a necessary evil. It implies that the self interests of a governing body may not be in the self interests of the people. As such, the government shall exist only because the people allow it to. It also implies that it is the God given right of the people to overthrow their government should they deem it necessary (peacefully or violently).

Some might argue that the United States government is no longer acting in the best interest of the people. If one day, those people deem themselves overtly oppressed by the government... Well you see where I'm going.
 
Another document illustrating this effect is the Gettysburg Address. Its words and meaning are equally as powerful.

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
 
And again, that's one incident where one person died. Not twenty one. One. I guarenteed that had that kid had a gun, that number would have been higher.


You're probably right, but deaths from mass shootings are a very small percentage of murders overall, and an even smaller percentage of overall violent crimes.

Again, a firearm is used (brandished or actually fired) hundreds of thousands of times each year in self-defense. Tossing that right out the window just to address one niche crime doesn't make much sense.

And to reiterate, the people most likely to turn in gums are the law-abiding.
 
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The Declaration of Independance is the first document where America recognizes its own sovereignty. It is the foundation of this country.

In the Declaration of Independence, "America" does no such thing. It does not exist. It declares the sovereignty of the people.
 
Some foreigner has issue with our gun laws. What's new?

So let me get this straight. We ban guns, and suddenly all the "homicidal maniacs" disappear? Or have no means to hurt people? Hurt me? I find that to be a pretty short-sighted view on things. Bad people will always have weapons. They have since the dawn of time. Sometimes, a good person with a weapon in the right place at the right time saves a life. I think that's a great thing. I know I still tense up when walking at night at certain points. I still feel that shiver down my spine and I don't even live in the "hood" or whatever. I try not to even walk at night unless I have to. Having a weapon with me empowers me once again. I feel confident again. It makes me feel the way I felt before I was assaulted, when I thought I was invincible and nothing would hurt me. Is it a false sense of security (in a sense) and can something still happen to me? Yes, partially, but if by some small chance I'm in a predicament again, this time I don't have a thumb up my ass.

That means the world to me. People that want to just make good people sitting ducks and easy targets have probably never been in the kind of situation I and others have been in.
 
I will reflect Chris' statement about feeling at ease. I've had my conceal carry permit for 5 years and it's very comforting. I feel 100% safer.
 
One thing is for sure, you can't go back. America will never be able to bring in any severe gun sanctions even if it wanted to. I think that ship has sailed, chris is point is right about 'security' i just hope it doesnt continue to escalate and in 10 years we are still having this discussion but everyone now needs to wear kevlar to feel 'safe'
 
One thing is for sure, you can't go back. America will never be able to bring in any severe gun sanctions even if it wanted to. I think that ship has sailed, chris is point is right about 'security' i just hope it doesnt continue to escalate and in 10 years we are still having this discussion but everyone now needs to wear kevlar to feel 'safe'

Well, apparently they are trying to take away the ability to wear kevlar.....because God knows passing a law will surely prevent the homicidal maniac from purchasing it on the black market.
 

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