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futuristxen said:
Also it isn't out of the realm of possiblity that Kendrick Perkins ends up getting a ring over his former teammates this year. OKC is in that group of teams who could win a title. Right now I would say the title race is wide open. There's any of about 7 teams that could win it all this year, which hasn't happened in like....a very long time.

As Magic would say, "NBA BASKETBALL IS BACK!!"
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Nah, in the end it will be Celtics-Lakers once again...hopefully with the C's winning.
 
CzBoobie said:
Nah, in the end it will be Celtics-Lakers once again...hopefully with the C's winning.
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Hope it's either the Celts or the Bulls. D West had a nice "get that weak stuff out of here" moment last night. What's up with Shaq? When is he coming back? I haven't heard anything lately. He's a huge key with Perkins in OKC.
 
3 Da Hard Way said:
Durant 29/6/6 on LeBron with the W

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Siggied probably the funniest GIF i've ever seen... hahaha
 
Miami is NOT going to win it this year or next year....end of story...
 
This will be fun. I looked at stats from last year's Cavs team and compared them to this year's Miami team.

Offensive Eff
CLE-108.8
MIA-108.7

eFG%
CLE-53.23%
MI-52.06%

Deffensve Eff
CLE-101.5
MIA-100.3

Pace
CLE-93.4
MIA-93.0

Opponent FG%
CLE- 44.2%
MIA-42.9%

PT. Diff.
CLE- +6.5
MIA- +7.2

Last year's Cavs team was better offensively and amazingly played faster than this Miami team and neither team plays/played fast. Miami is a better defensive team to a degree. Both teams are roughly the exact same league rank in all of these categories. For instance they both ranked 22 in pace, and were just a spot or two apart in the other categories listed.

Obviously, if I were to compare Miami to the 08-09 Cavs team, the Cavs would win every single category. Basically, not only will this Miami team fall short in terms of regular season wins each Cavs team accumulated the last two seasons, but at the very least it only equals them statistically, and if compared to the 08-09 team, falls extremely short.

Question: if this Miami team has more talent, shouldn't it show up somewhere? If not the win column, than at least the statistics?
 
Rich said:
This will be fun. I looked at stats from last year's Cavs team and compared them to this year's Miami team.

Offensive Eff
CLE-108.8
MIA-108.7

eFG%
CLE-53.23%
MI-52.06%

Deffensve Eff
CLE-101.5
MIA-100.3

Pace
CLE-93.4
MIA-93.0

Opponent FG%
CLE- 44.2%
MIA-42.9%

PT. Diff.
CLE- +6.5
MIA- +7.2

Last year's Cavs team was better offensively and amazingly played faster than this Miami team and neither team plays/played fast. Miami is a better defensive team to a degree. Both teams are roughly the exact same league rank in all of these categories. For instance they both ranked 22 in pace, and were just a spot or two apart in the other categories listed.

Obviously, if I were to compare Miami to the 08-09 Cavs team, the Cavs would win every single category. Basically, not only will this Miami team fall short in terms of regular season wins each Cavs team accumulated the last two seasons, but at the very least it only equals them statistically, and if compared to the 08-09 team, falls extremely short.

Question: if this Miami team has more talent, shouldn't it show up somewhere? If not the win column, than at least the statistics?
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Gotta wait till the playoffs...if the last two years teached us anything, it's that the regular season doesn't mean that much. Hopefully the trend will continue and they won't get past the second round.
 
I mean, you can't be a Durantula with thick legs right?
 
Rich said:
Question: if this Miami team has more talent, shouldn't it show up somewhere? If not the win column, than at least the statistics?
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It does. It shows up in the fact that Wade and Bosh are putting up numbers unlike anyone else we've had on the Cavs; but a team isn't just something thrown together, it's constructed, developed, and honed. Everyone knew the flaws with the Heat when they were thrown together and they're obviously still working through them (not the least of which is that they should have a coach who can command their respect).

If OKC can keep up the defensive intensity, they might actually get somewhere this year.
 
Rich said:
This will be fun. I looked at stats from last year's Cavs team and compared them to this year's Miami team.

Offensive Eff
CLE-108.8
MIA-108.7

eFG%
CLE-53.23%
MI-52.06%

Deffensve Eff
CLE-101.5
MIA-100.3

Pace
CLE-93.4
MIA-93.0

Opponent FG%
CLE- 44.2%
MIA-42.9%

PT. Diff.
CLE- +6.5
MIA- +7.2

Last year's Cavs team was better offensively and amazingly played faster than this Miami team and neither team plays/played fast. Miami is a better defensive team to a degree. Both teams are roughly the exact same league rank in all of these categories. For instance they both ranked 22 in pace, and were just a spot or two apart in the other categories listed.

Obviously, if I were to compare Miami to the 08-09 Cavs team, the Cavs would win every single category. Basically, not only will this Miami team fall short in terms of regular season wins each Cavs team accumulated the last two seasons, but at the very least it only equals them statistically, and if compared to the 08-09 team, falls extremely short.

Question: if this Miami team has more talent, shouldn't it show up somewhere? If not the win column, than at least the statistics?
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If it shows up it will be in the playoffs, not the regular season. This Heat team is nowhere near as deep as last year's Cavs team. And depth is really what separates your Spurs/Mavericks/Bulls/Celtics from the rest of the field in the regular season.

In the playoffs though it's all about your top 7 players. And in that arguement the Heat have a huge advantage on the Cavs, particularly when you consider what choking dogs everyone on the team was last year(Lebron included). DWade by himself is a significant upgrade on last year's Cavs team for the playoffs.

Additionally I'd argue that the league is tougher this year. The top 8 teams are all title contenders this year, whereas last year it was really only Boston-LA and then the tier of Cavs and Orlando. And that was it.

I'd also probably be interested to see if there's more of a varience in how the Heat got their statistics than how the Cavs did. Cavs were really consistent last year in what they did. The Heat are completely different game to game. One game it's in the 80s. The next it's in the 120s. Sometimes they blow a team out. Sometimes it's a close game. They have had two really awful stretches in the season, bookended by some impressive stretches. So I would expect a Cavs graph to be sort of stable, where a Heat one might be all over the place and just hitting about the same average in the end.
 
futuristxen said:
If it shows up it will be in the playoffs, not the regular season. This Heat team is nowhere near as deep as last year's Cavs team. And depth is really what separates your Spurs/Mavericks/Bulls/Celtics from the rest of the field in the regular season.

In the playoffs though it's all about your top 7 players. And in that arguement the Heat have a huge advantage on the Cavs, particularly when you consider what choking dogs everyone on the team was last year(Lebron included). DWade by himself is a significant upgrade on last year's Cavs team for the playoffs.

Additionally I'd argue that the league is tougher this year. The top 8 teams are all title contenders this year, whereas last year it was really only Boston-LA and then the tier of Cavs and Orlando. And that was it.

I'd also probably be interested to see if there's more of a varience in how the Heat got their statistics than how the Cavs did. Cavs were really consistent last year in what they did. The Heat are completely different game to game. One game it's in the 80s. The next it's in the 120s. Sometimes they blow a team out. Sometimes it's a close game. They have had two really awful stretches in the season, bookended by some impressive stretches. So I would expect a Cavs graph to be sort of stable, where a Heat one might be all over the place and just hitting about the same average in the end.
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you need 8 reliable guys for the playoffs, and that's assuming no injuries or foul trouble. of those 8, you need at least one legit big man, and a competent point guard. i know you're a heat apologist but you can't try to make the assertion that they are built better for the postseason.
 
futuristxen said:
If it shows up it will be in the playoffs, not the regular season. This Heat team is nowhere near as deep as last year's Cavs team. And depth is really what separates your Spurs/Mavericks/Bulls/Celtics from the rest of the field in the regular season.

In the playoffs though it's all about your top 7 players. And in that arguement the Heat have a huge advantage on the Cavs, particularly when you consider what choking dogs everyone on the team was last year(Lebron included). DWade by himself is a significant upgrade on last year's Cavs team for the playoffs.

Additionally I'd argue that the league is tougher this year. The top 8 teams are all title contenders this year, whereas last year it was really only Boston-LA and then the tier of Cavs and Orlando. And that was it.

I'd also probably be interested to see if there's more of a varience in how the Heat got their statistics than how the Cavs did. Cavs were really consistent last year in what they did. The Heat are completely different game to game. One game it's in the 80s. The next it's in the 120s. Sometimes they blow a team out. Sometimes it's a close game. They have had two really awful stretches in the season, bookended by some impressive stretches. So I would expect a Cavs graph to be sort of stable, where a Heat one might be all over the place and just hitting about the same average in the end.
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Yea hindsight is great, but no one was saying it was just those two teams heading in to the playoffs that had a shot at winning the title.

Furthermore, if we are to call Orlando a contender this year, then we might as well go ahead and call Atlanta a contender last year. Orlando is only on pace for 51 wins this year. San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc. all passed that mark last year.

Not saying orlando isn't a contender this year, but I am saying you are using what you know after last year's playoffs to decide who was an wasn't a contender and then trying to decide who this year's contenders are before the playoffs. Maybe OKC get's swept in the 2nd round and maybe Orlando does too, in which case after the playoffs we will look back and declare they weren't contenders at all. Point is, we need to wait untill the playoffs are over before we decide who was an was not contenders.
 
tsteele316 said:
you need 8 reliable guys for the playoffs, and that's assuming no injuries or foul trouble. of those 8, you need at least one legit big man, and a competent point guard. i know you're a heat apologist but you can't try to make the assertion that they are built better for the postseason.
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Completely agree. I'm a guy who thought the Heat would totally dominate the regular season but get exposed in the playoffs, much like the Cavs were. Now people are trying to convince me that, in fact, that Heat are actually built to compete in the playoffs but not the regular season. They'll have to prove that to me before I believe it.
 
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