A closer look at Harrison Barnes

Don't they realize they will be getting legit pussy every night on the road.. i mean like even possibly 2-3 chicks at a time. Better than college pussy! damn.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

That's a relatively ridiculous statement. Especially since we all should know from experience that judging a draft based off of current perception has consistently failed to be an accurate depiction of the true quality of a draft.

Our own pick is still going to be a quality pick and the Clippers pick was always going to be a toss-up. The key to this draft will be the Cavaliers' lottery luck in getting one of the top two picks. The two prizes from this draft are Irving and Williams, if we come away with either one, I think we can call it a successful draft.

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Consider that Irving & Williams are really the only 2 players who would have been mid to high lottery picks in any other year. The rest of the lottery is pretty much going to be a crapshoot and that's not how the draft usually is. Irving & Williams are good, but they aren't great prospects. That there's a huge drop off after them tell you all you need to know about this draft.

Sorry, I know that's not what you want to a hear, but it's the truth.

ClevelandOwnz said:

Don't they realize they will be getting legit pussy every night on the road.. i mean like even possibly 2-3 chicks at a time. Better than college pussy! damn.

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I dont agree, the NBA groupies are about as skankie as you get. I was a part of the College Pussy for b-ball players and they are not nearly as nasty. Just my opinion, but I rather fuck a college slut any day than a proffesional whore trying to get a basketball player to get her prego so she can sue.

ClevelandOwnz said:

Don't they realize they will be getting legit pussy every night on the road.. i mean like even possibly 2-3 chicks at a time. Better than college pussy! damn.

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Wait you still travel during a lockout?

ClevelandOwnz said:

Don't they realize they will be getting legit pussy every night on the road.. i mean like even possibly 2-3 chicks at a time. Better than college pussy! damn.

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Don't kid yourself. The big leagues when it comes to pussy IS college.

sailfish said:

Consider that Irving & Williams are really the only 2 players who would have been mid to high lottery picks in any other year. The rest of the lottery is pretty much going to be a crapshoot and that's not how the draft usually is.

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Once you get to that 6-14 range, it's always been a crapshoot and statistics prove it. So, yes, that's exactly how it "usually" is.

Irving & Williams are good, but they aren't great prospects. That there's a huge drop off after them tell you all you need to know about this draft.

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Irving isn't a great prospect? I mean, Williams is arguable because of his position questions, but Irving is a dynamite prospect that would be a top 3 pick in any of the last 5 drafts.

Sorry, I know that's not what you want to a hear, but it's the truth.

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The truth is impossible to know until three years after a draft and every single competent NBA executive will tell you the same. Draft people were having these same discussions about what has now turned out to be an absolutely awesome 2008 draft. Top heavy with two guys(Rose and Beasley) and then a crapshoot afterwards.

The Clippers made a calculated decision that no one they would get at #8 would outweigh the benefit of dumping B Diddy's contract, and it is starting to look like they were right.

If the Cavs some how end up with the 3rd pick or lower this whole fiasco will set the franchise back years most likely.

Fiasco?! Are you kidding me/. I mean this is not ideal but do you really think the Cavs could have gotten any better value for Mo Williams than a Lottery pick in ANY draft, regardless of a week or strong one. This is hardly a fiasco or mistake by the Cavs.

It is imperative that they end up with a Top 2 pick and it is ideal that they end up with a Top 6 pick next year. Next years draft will be loaded. As long as the Cavs dont win more than 30 games, they will have a chance to grab a superstar potential player to pair with Irving/Williams and whomever they grab at #8

So much overreaction in this thread its unreal.

Birdy89 said:

The Clippers made a calculated decision that no one they would get at #8 would outweigh the benefit of dumping B Diddy's contract, and it is starting to look like they were right.

If the Cavs some how end up with the 3rd pick or lower this whole fiasco will set the franchise back years most likely.

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I agree with InBoobie...the NBA draft is an imperfect science - full-time scouts spend years following and researching players who turn out to be busts while others, some who are overlooked and underrated, turn out to be stars.

The 1 guy I keep coming back to is Kemba (with our 2nd pick, assuming we don't get Irving with 1st). If you had a chance to take 5x all-star Tim Hardaway as a rookie, wouldn't you do it? And Hardaway played in an era that wasn't as point guard friendly. In the 2004 draft, Jameer Nelson fell to 20th due to his size and I think he's had a pretty solid career thus far, and I think Kemba has much more potential than Jameer, especially in a system like Scott's. He's a winner.

Birdy89 said:

The Clippers made a calculated decision that no one they would get at #8 would outweigh the benefit of dumping B Diddy's contract, and it is starting to look like they were right.

If the Cavs some how end up with the 3rd pick or lower this whole fiasco will set the franchise back years most likely.

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There's no question on the Clippers end they aren't regretting this trade at all. They got rid of BD's gruesome contract for an 8 pick that looks pretty weak in this draft with Jones, Sullinger, and Barnes all staying. Most likely, the Cavs will take some euro project at that point (the Czech guy or one of the two Lithuanian guys) that may or may not pan out. I think you're right in that if the Cavs can't score Irving or Williams, this could get ugly. I really wouldn't want to see two projects out of these lottery picks considering all the Cavs put us through this season.

Blessing in diqguise. He is going to improve and since he is more of a finished product, him, Sullinger, and Jones will be towards the top. That already has pushed the guys like Rivers and Gilchrist down in next years mock. We wont necissarily have to be the worst team to get a great player.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

Once you get to that 6-14 range, it's always been a crapshoot and statistics prove it. So, yes, that's exactly how it "usually" is.

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I won't dispute that. The past #8 picks don't exactly inspire confidence: Al Farouq Aminu, Jordan Hill, Joe Alexander, Brandan Wright, Rudy Gay, Channing Frye, Rafael Araujo, TJ Ford, Chris Wilcox, DeSagana Diop, Jamal Crawford, Mike Miller, Larry Hughes, Adonal Foyle, Kerry Kittles.
With this being a weaker draft than normal there's probably a 50% chance or less that the pick can become a productive player for us.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

Irving isn't a great prospect? I mean, Williams is arguable because of his position questions, but Irving is a dynamite prospect that would be a top 3 pick in any of the last 5 drafts.

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Great, no. Good, yes. Irving looked good when he played, but his body of work in college was very small. He's not in Chris Paul's league IMO. I didn't see enough of him in college to conclude that Irving can be the next Chris Paul.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

The truth is impossible to know until three years after a draft and every single competent NBA executive will tell you the same. Draft people were having these same discussions about what has now turned out to be an absolutely awesome 2008 draft. Top heavy with two guys(Rose and Beasley) and then a crapshoot afterwards.

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Agreed. However, when projecting this draft, anyone can see that it's weak at the top. There is some depth. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if a guy taken in the late 1st turns out to be a better player than a lottery pick. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade the Clippers pick, assuming it's #8 or later, for a mid to late 1st rounder this year and a future pick.

sailfish said:

Agreed. However, when projecting this draft, anyone can see that it's weak at the top. There is some depth. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if a guy taken in the late 1st turns out to be a better player than a lottery pick. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade the Clippers pick, assuming it's #8 or later, for a mid to late 1st rounder this year and a future pick.

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I think a more likely scenario would involve us either trading the 8th pick in a deal to get Irving or Williams should we get screwed over in the lottery, or using the 8th pick and some type of other asset to move from 8 to 6 if, for example, we really like Enes Kanter and think he goes in that 6-8 range but don't want to miss out on him. Not sure if there's much of a market for people to move into the 8th spot.

Lee said:

I dont agree, the NBA groupies are about as skankie as you get. I was a part of the College Pussy for b-ball players and they are not nearly as nasty. Just my opinion, but I rather fuck a college slut any day than a proffesional whore trying to get a basketball player to get her prego so she can sue.

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