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Gee Wiz...what's Alonzo's ceiling???

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bigfoot5415 said:
He may not get media attention, but too many teams have been burned by him. They know what he can do and are willing to pay for it. He will test FA and I'm 60% sure he will stay. I'd sign this guy to Boobie money, throw in a player option to make him think he's in control and that's about it.

Part 2 of my offseason would be to decline Gibsons option and restructure a deal at a consistent 3.5 over a few years.
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Gibson doesn't have an option. He has partially guaranteed final year. We'd have to waive him and eat about $2.5 million. Not worth it IMO, I'd rather just keep him for his final year.


trapalizer said:
If he was to agree to that, it'd be amazing.
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How much do you think he's going to get? I'd be surprised if its much more than Damage suggested.
 
wes matthews got 5 year 35m coming off a similar situation/production.
 
If Gee's next contract causes controversy on this board, with some fans saying it is too much and other fans saying we got a good deal, then it's probably the right price.

I think the Cavs would do cartwheels for something in the 3 year/$10M neighborhood.

The real question is whether the Cavs decide to match a Wesley-Matthews-style offer from another team. Utah was faced with that decision (whether to pay for a front-loaded contract for 5-years/$34M), and they decided to pass. With the new CBA, it will be interesting to see whether another team comes in and tries to overpay for Gee, and also how high the Cavs are willing to go.

I don't like the Matthews comparison, only because it resulted in a big contract from a new team, with the old team losing him. Hope we don't see that.
 
trapalizer said:
wes matthews got 5 year 35m coming off a similar situation/production.
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Wes produced better numbers on a better team with a smaller role.

I'd expect him to get close to what Daniel Gibson received. He got 5 years $21 million.
 
The BIG question in all of this regarding Alonzo's value, is what do you think his ceiling is?

If the coaching staff and the FO think that he can improve to yet another level in a full, non-lockout off-season, then I think we definitely pay him well.

BUT, if we think he's reached his maximum potential, then we try to be careful with what we pay him.

Then of course there's the third variable to the equation -- his actual market value -- what are other teams willing to pay him? If the market value is higher than what we think his potential ceiling is, then we let him walk. If the market value is lesser than, or equal to the value of his potential ceiling, then we pay.

All in all, I don't think there's an easy way to put a actual dollar amount on how much we should pay him.
 
D-Wreck said:
Wes produced better numbers on a better team with a smaller role.

I'd expect him to get close to what Daniel Gibson received. He got 5 years $21 million.
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Gee - 10.7 points 4.7 rebounds 1.6 assists 1.6 steals @ 28.8 mins per game. 13 starts out of 44 games (29.5%)
Wes - 9.4 points 2.3 rebounds 1.5 assists 0.8 steals @ 24.7 mins per game. 48 starts out of 82 games (58.5%)

So yeah, Gee has better numbers in every single category, while he does play 4 more minutes, Wes did start a lot more games therefore bigger role. They both did play with elite point guards which benefits them.
 
As a starter Gee is averaging 13.5/6.2 and I think that's his realistic ceiling.
 
trapalizer said:
Gee - 10.7 points 4.7 rebounds 1.6 assists 1.6 steals @ 28.8 mins per game. 13 starts out of 44 games (29.5%)
Wes - 9.4 points 2.3 rebounds 1.5 assists 0.8 steals @ 24.7 mins per game. 48 starts out of 82 games (58.5%)

So yeah, Gee has better numbers in every single category, while he does play 4 more minutes, Wes did start a lot more games therefore bigger role. They both did play with elite point guards which benefits them.
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Gee has a higher usage rate than Matthews did and is probably the 3rd option while Matthews deferred to Williams, Boozer, Millsap, Okur and even Kirilenko.

Gee has better totals, but he's doing it with much lower shooting %'s and a much higher turnover rate.

If Gee gets offered close to what Matthews did, I don't even hesitate to let him walk.
 
trapalizer said:
Gee - 10.7 points 4.7 rebounds 1.6 assists 1.6 steals @ 28.8 mins per game. 13 starts out of 44 games (29.5%)
Wes - 9.4 points 2.3 rebounds 1.5 assists 0.8 steals @ 24.7 mins per game. 48 starts out of 82 games (58.5%)

So yeah, Gee has better numbers in every single category, while he does play 4 more minutes, Wes did start a lot more games therefore bigger role. They both did play with elite point guards which benefits them.
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Wes 48.3/38.2 shooting in 24.7 minutes
Gee 43.9/32.7 shooting in 28.8 minutes

You seem to have forgotten a few important stats. Teams thought Wesley had a shot at being a 50/40 shooting guard and paid for that, no one thinks Gee will be that efficient, I get Gee is a sf and a much better rebounder, but dont rewrite history. Utah was a much better team that year than the cavs this year and wesley played a simular role on much more efficient shooting.

I get that Wesley has turned out to be not quite as good of a shooter as that year appeared he would be, but lets not overpay for Gee just because he has turned himself into an average NBA sf. That is great value for a 2nd rounder much less an undrafted player, but still.
 
D-Wreck said:
Gee has a higher usage rate than Matthews did and is probably the 3rd option while Matthews deferred to Williams, Boozer, Millsap, Okur and even Kirilenko.

Gee has better totals, but he's doing it with much lower shooting %'s and a much higher turnover rate.

If Gee gets offered close to what Matthews did, I don't even hesitate to let him walk.
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Yeah, which is exactly why Wes FG% was slightly higher, and TO rate was lower, because there were many other options on that team that the opposing team had to focus on, look how much those numbers dipped once he was in Portland and his usage rate went up.

I sure hope we don't give him nothing like what Wes got, but it's not out of question for someone to do so.

Although Porland did expect a lot more from him than what they got, so it might be one time overpay thing that no team is going to look to repeat.
 
trapalizer said:
Yeah, which is exactly why Wes FG% was slightly higher, and TO rate was lower, because there were many other options on that team that the opposing team had to focus on, look how much those numbers dipped once he was in Portland and his usage rate went up.

I sure hope we don't give him nothing like what Wes got, but it's not out of question for someone to do so.

Although Porland did expect a lot more from him than what they got, so it might be one time overpay thing that no team is going to look to repeat.
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Wes' efficiency didn't really dip when he went to Portland though. His TS% remianed pretty much the same and his turnovers actually went down. However, what Wes did once he got to Portland has no bearing on what he did to earn that contract or what Gee is doing to earn his.

Like Lee said, Matthews showed very good efficiency in Utah and people thought he could carry that over in a bigger role. He did to some extent and honestly, the length of his contract is more of a problem than the size.

Matthews got paid because Portland thought he could play a bigger role than what he was.

Gee's role is never going to be bigger than it is right now.
 
Gee has the right skills for the SF position. He can create with the ball, and he can hit outside shots....

but he has another trait that is important and rare - he is coachable. It's hard to find players these days who respect their coach and don't have a shitty attitude. I'm not sure how that should translate into his potential contract, but you have to take those valuable qualities into consideration.
 
I know Gee's a good kid but some of those dunks really make me question his intelligence.
 
trapalizer said:
I know Gee's a good kid but some of those dunks really make me question his intelligence.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this one. Can you please clarify? Should he dunk more intelligently? Or just lay it in?
 
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