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2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

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b00bie said:
He has marginally better arm strength than McCoy. And I'm not convinced that in three years McCoy won't have improved his arm strength to a similar level.

Also, Weeden just crumbles under pressure...something he's never dealt with much at OSU.

Lastly, the scouting reports are so quick to mention his baseball background yet leave out that his baseball career ended due to arm injury.

Triple threat, the Oklahoma State offense and Baylors offense aren't that similar, aside from being shotgun based.
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They're extremely similar, lots of screen passes, the only thing OK St. doesn't have that Baylor had was the QB option offense and the option. Which actually helped RGIII in the passing game.
 
Triplethreat said:
They're extremely similar, lots of screen passes, the only thing OK St. doesn't have that Baylor had was the QB option offense and the option. Which actually helped RGIII in the passing game.
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Not all spread offenses are the same.

And the screen pass is simply a staple of every college offense, and nothing is proof of that more than USC. I watched Barkley throw a ton just to get his receivers in space.

I'm not faulting either QB for that, but the route tree at Baylor is seemingly far more complex. And yes, the option is part of that, but Art Briles pretty much runs a prostyle offense from the shotgun, with the option replacing play-action.
 
I don't mind the idea of Weeden if the Browns are confident he can step right in and start. But personally I would let Colt have a 2nd year in the WCO with some playmakers and see what he can do.
 
I have a feeling Trent Richardson, the proclaimed best running back prospect since Adrian Peterson, is a guy that a lot of people are hesitant to take at #4 since he's a RB, but then he'll run for ~1,200 yards and 11 TD's his rookie year and make the Pro Bowl the season after that will leave everyone scratching their heads and wondering, "why were we so hesitant to draft this guy in the first place?"
 
And looking back at draft histories because I was curious, the following running backs were taken in the Top 7 since 1999: Darren McFadden, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, LaDainian Thomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, Edgerrin James, and Ricky Williams. That's a decent track record. The Browns had the opportunity to draft several of those guys, most notably Peterson, Thomlinson, Lewis and James. We're bound to get something special with Richardson. Let's finally get a perennial Pro Bowler that the city can identify with that isn't a lineman or a punt returner.
 
KCOTT said:
I have a feeling Trent Richardson, the proclaimed best running back prospect since Adrian Peterson, is a guy that a lot of people are hesitant to take at #4 since he's a RB, but then he'll run for ~1,200 yards and 11 TD's his rookie year and make the Pro Bowl the season after that will leave everyone scratching their heads and wondering, "why were we so hesitant to draft this guy in the first place?"
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Here's my one and only question regarding Richardson: Can he be a workhorse RB? How many carries can he take over the course of the NFL season? You've got to take that into consideration if you take him 4 overall. If the answer is yes, then I have no problem with snagging up at 4.
 
MoDelonte said:
Here's my one and only question regarding Richardson: Can he be a workhorse RB? How many carries can he take over the course of the NFL season? You've got to take that into consideration if you take him 4 overall. If the answer is yes, then I have no problem with snagging up at 4.
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283 attempts last year for a 5.9 average, I think he'll be fine

he outrushed Mark Ingram in his final year
 
KCOTT said:
And looking back at draft histories because I was curious, the following running backs were taken in the Top 7 since 1999: Darren McFadden, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, LaDainian Thomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, Edgerrin James, and Ricky Williams. That's a decent track record. The Browns had the opportunity to draft several of those guys, most notably Peterson, Thomlinson, Lewis and James. We're bound to get something special with Richardson. Let's finally get a perennial Pro Bowler that the city can identify with that isn't a lineman or a punt returner.
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Not a bad track record but also very little in the way of playoff wins.
 
B Mac said:
Not a bad track record but also very little in the way of playoff wins.
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If you're looking for one first round pick to make the Browns a playoff team, it ain't out there.
 
KCOTT said:
283 attempts last year for a 5.9 average, I think he'll be fine

he outrushed Mark Ingram in his final year
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Not to mention Richardson rarely fumbles.

Love the fact he holds onto the ball, because turnovers kill offensive drives. Adrian Peterson has been my favorite player since he was in college, but he fumbles a lot more than he should, and that's one major thing Richardson doesn't do.

Just more food for thought..
 
Can we just put a couple things to rest regarding Weeden?

First, his health. Yes, his baseball career ended due to a shoulder injury. That was in 2006. He became the starter at OSU in 2010 and played all of that year and all of 2011 without shoulder trouble. Pitching a baseball is a much different action than throwing a football. You use different muscles, your arm moves differently, and you don't throw a football nearly as hard as you throw a baseball. Every team will evaluate his shoulder to make sure it is sound. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Second, his arm strength. I encourage the detractors to post scouting reports that say his arm strength is mediocre. Every report I have seen says it is one of his best features. Scouts, Inc. gave him a "1" rating for arm strength, meaning he is exceptional in that regard. Greg Cosell noted that he has great arm strength on throws over the middle.

Some of the negatives are valid. He does have problems facing pressure. He has accuracy problems on throws to the sidelines. He needs to improve his footwork.

He will also be a 29-year-old rookie. But he isn't the first QB to start his NFL career late. Roger Staubach went on to have a Hall of Fame career after starting his at 27 years old.

While Weeden is not a perfect prospect, I would have no issue with us taking him in the third. The second round is a bit high for him, but I suppose I would be OK with him there, as well. No. 22 overall is too high for him, though.
 
Doc Shakalu said:
Not this year, but I'd argue an elite QB could do it.
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An elite QB could definitely do it, but there would have to be the right pieces around him and the browns probably won't be in that position for at least another year or two
 
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