Connecticut School Shooting

BigMar Lion said:

Your train of thought is quite interesting. I'll throw a wrench at you. How about we make it damn near impossible for a 20 year old kid to get a ballistic vest and a high powered rifle (WHICH BY THE WAY ONLY HANDGUNS WERE USED IN THIS SHOOTING).

Geez people. Instead of saying "Stop, just stop" ..how about you start coming at me with some real talk?

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Banning ballistic vests and rifles?!

Blasphemy! This is America! I need to protect my family!

b00bie said:

Banning ballistic vests and rifles?!

Blasphemy! This is America! I need to protect my family!

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This, we agree on.

b00bie said:

I've been a pretty somber and depressed mood since this event.

This actually made me laugh out loud, thank you.

What's sad is the fact you actually believe arming teachers is going to solve violence issues.

In reality, all that does is opens up the opportunity for some teacher to snap...or for a child to steal the gun and use it on one of his/her classmates or teachers.

It's truly staggering how you can believe this will be a reasonable answer.

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No YOU made me laugh out loud with your RIDICULOUS thoughts.... If a teacher was going to snap and shoot all of his students, he would do it anyway! What the fuck kind of logic are you using here? So all of the sudden because a teacher is armed, now all the sudden they could snap and shoot their students! They could that anyway if they so chose to.

Some of you people seem content to bring your fists to a fucking gun fight. That my friend is RETARTED. You are pulling at strings and grasping at the most remote possibilities. By outlawing the guns from the people that deserve them, you are taking away their fair chance to fight back and defend our children.

So lets just do nothing and let the next gunman walk into another school of unarmed innocent people because of some stupid politics and arguments like you propose.

I doubt that you have ever fired a weapon in your life. Truly one of the most IDIOTIC things I have ever read on here, Congratulations.

Let's just do nothing at all and let the gunman have free reign and no resistance.

I MEAN FUCK.... IT can't get more irrational and idiotic than that. Your grasping at straws man.


Let's end all Violence too! Tell me how you are going to do that. VIOLENCE is a part of humanity, it's impossible to eradicate no matter how many intervention programs you liberal morons come up with.

You can never just be realistic...

Frank Reynolds said:

No YOU made me laugh out loud with your RIDICULOUS thoughts.... If a teacher was going to snap and shoot all of his students, he would do it anyway! What the fuck kind of logic are you using here? So all of the sudden because a teacher is armed, now all the sudden they could snap and shoot their students! They could that anyway if they so chose to.

Some of you people seem content to bring your fists to a fucking gun fight. That my friend is RETARTED. You are pulling at strings and grasping at the most remote possibilities. By outlawing the guns from the people that deserve them, you are taking away their fair chance to fight back and defend our children.

So lets just do nothing and let the next gunman walk into another school of unarmed innocent people because of some stupid politics and arguments like you propose.

I doubt that you have ever fired a weapon in your life. Truly one of the most IDIOTIC things I have ever read on here, Congratulations.

Let's just do nothing at all and let the gunman have free reign and no resistance.

I MEAN FUCK.... IT can't get more irrational and idiotic than that. Your grasping at straws man.


Let's end all Violence too! Tell me how you are going to do that. VIOLENCE is a part of humanity, it's impossible to eradicate no matter how many intervention programs you liberal morons come up with.

You can never just be realistic...

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Going to be tough to carry out attacks when guns are banned.

Not realistic? Tell that to the countries who did it.

b00bie said:

Going to be tough to carry out attacks when guns are banned.

Not realistic? Tell that to the countries who did it.

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Okay, well I hope you get robbed by an armed assailant and have NOTHING to defend yourself to make it a fair fight.

Better yet, good luck getting every citizen in America to fork over their guns....

You are simply taking them away from law abiding citizens that deserve the right to defend themselves and their families.

No matter how hard you try to control guns, criminals will always find a way to get theirs. And there you'll be, unarmed, innocent and helpless.


Fuck you. I don't normally flame up on people but you simply don't get it son.

Frank Reynolds said:

Okay, well I hope you get robbed by an armed assailant and have NOTHING to defend yourself to make it a fair fight.

Better yet, good luck getting every citizen in America to fork over their guns....

You are simply taking them away from law abiding citizens that deserve the right to defend themselves and their families.

No matter how hard you try to control guns, criminals will always find a way to get theirs. And there you'll be, unarmed, innocent and helpless.


Fuck you. I don't normally flame up on people but you simply don't get it son.

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Amazing how scared you must be all the time.

Sad, really.

But those countries with gun laws don't have that same fear. Something to think about.

As someone who generally supports gun control legislation and assault weapon bans, such legislation sadly would not have stopped this tragedy. I understand that. On the other side saying "An armed society is a safer society" is far too simplistic and doesn't take into account that while some issues would be deterred, others inevitably would be created.

For some reason I'm really struggling with this one. Maybe it's because me and my wife have been talking about starting a family soon, not sure.

Ideologically I support stricter gun control, but that's not going to solve the issue. Neither is making sure every average joe is loaded with a fire arm. There's some deep and complex issues within the fabric of our society, and I don't know where to start. We can get on our soap boxes and push our agendas and swear that this is the answer, but we're all full of shit.

I'd like to think issues such as safety shouldn't be politicized, but they will be by both sides of the aisle.

pr26 said:

As someone who generally supports gun control legislation and assault weapon bans, such legislation sadly would not have stopped this tragedy. I understand that. On the other side saying "An armed society is a safer society" is far too simplistic and doesn't take into account that while some issues would be deterred, others inevitably would be created.

For some reason I'm really struggling with this one. Maybe it's because me and my wife have been talking about starting a family soon, not sure.

Ideologically I support stricter gun control, but that's not going to solve the issue. Neither is making sure every average joe is loaded with a fire arm. There's some deep and complex issues within the fabric of our society, and I don't know where to start. We can get on our soap boxes and push our agendas and swear that this is the answer, but we're all full of shit.

I'd like to think issues such as safety shouldn't be politicized, but they will be by both sides of the aisle.

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it perhaps could have stopped it had his mom not owned so many guns. Or even if she kept them locked up with a combination lock he didn't know how to open. He tried to buy one, but wasn't able to. That's when he murdered his mom and took her guns and ammunition.

it also perhaps could have been avoided if she owned guns with the technology that only allowed her to shoot them.

Again, you are trying to take someone rights away if you take guns away. Why should I be forced to give up my gun because some nut job did this. I don't think I need a gun for safety, I own a gun because I enjoy going to the range and shooting it. The answer is never to take someone's rights away for us to be safer. If you think Japan and the UK are safer then move there.

Now, do I support gun control yes, it is way to easy to get a gun. But making them illegal will never happen, it is to slippery of a slope.

b00bie said:

Amazing how scared you must be all the time.

Sad, really.

But those countries with gun laws don't have that same fear. Something to think about.

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I understand, and that's a fair point, but you are talking about complex, deeply rooted issues that simply cannot be truly uncovered. It is too idealistic to think that we're going to eventually find the answer and suddenly have a peace in America. I wish you were right, I wish it could be that easy....

The only real practical solution is to have a means to protect yourself, in a worst case scenario. I wish I could feel safe, and I generally do, but I find that the most effective thing is to try and keep yourself out of that wrong place at the wrong time... Try to stay away from trouble.....

Only problem is, sometimes, like in the Connecticut situation, trouble finds you.

And in those situations, I would rather have a gun and have a chance to defend myself than to be caught unarmed and be another helpless victim.


I didn't mean to flame up on you Boobie, I'm just being a realist. I wish it didn't have to be this way, and I wish I could tell you that the world was a safe place. But that can't be guaranteed, and if I can give myself even a sliver more of a chance to grow old someday and have a family, then that's what I am going to do (by owning a weapon and practicing my rights granted to me by our forefathers, under the authority of the United States Constitution)

If you choose not to, I respect your personal choices too, but I wish you luck, because you never know if trouble is going to find you. I'd hate for any of the wonderful people left in America to be stuck in a situation where they don't have a fair chance to defend himself, or his people.

God Bless,

-Frank

cavsfan1985 said:

Again, you are trying to take someone rights away if you take guns away. Why should I be forced to give up my gun because some nut job did this. I don't think I need a gun for safety, I own a gun because I enjoy going to the range and shooting it. The answer is never to take someone's rights away for us to be safer. If you think Japan and the UK are safer then move there.

Now, do I support gun control yes, it is way to easy to get a gun. But making them illegal will never happen, it is to slippery of a slope.

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how is it taking anyones "rights" away to have guns locked up when they are not being used? Locks that other people can't break into?

cavsfan1985 said:

Again, you are trying to take someone rights away if you take guns away. Why should I be forced to give up my gun because some nut job did this. I don't think I need a gun for safety, I own a gun because I enjoy going to the range and shooting it. The answer is never to take someone's rights away for us to be safer. If you think Japan and the UK are safer then move there.

Now, do I support gun control yes, it is way to easy to get a gun. But making them illegal will never happen, it is to slippery of a slope.

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I'm barely a political guy, but can we stop using arguments along the lines of the bolded? Telling someone to move instead of trying to get something changed is the equivalent of "Hey, you should just give up instead of fighting for your convictions." This goes for anything from gun control, abortion, gay marriage, or elections; if you either say you're going to move to Canada or tell someone to get out of their country, that smells of "quitter" to me.

That being said, I agree with you on control. I understand my family members' desires to have a gun to protect their homes and how enjoyable it can be to visit the firing range, but I will never comprehend their adamancy when it comes to the mention of outlawing assault rifles or stronger safeguards regarding gun purchase.

KI4MVP said:

how is it taking anyones "rights" away to have guns locked up when they are not being used? Locks that other people can't break into?

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I never said this. I was talking about banning guns all together. My guns are stored in a safe, which also have a lock on the trigger.

Backstage said:

I'm barely a political guy, but can we stop using arguments along the lines of the bolded? Telling someone to move instead of trying to get something changed is the equivalent of "Hey, you should just give up instead of fighting for your convictions." This goes for anything from gun control, abortion, gay marriage, or elections; if you either say you're going to move to Canada or tell someone to get out of their country, that smells of "quitter" to me.

That being said, I agree with you on control. I understand my family members' desires to have a gun to protect their homes and how enjoyable it can be to visit the firing range, but I will never comprehend their adamancy when it comes to the mention of outlawing assault rifles or stronger safeguards regarding gun purchase.

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I agree. It just pisses me off when people try to force there will on you. If you don't believe in guns, then don't own one. My main political belief is people have the right to do what ever they want as long as it not against the law. We have laws to prevent what happened, but the person decided to break them and kill himself. What else can we do but be more proactive in educating people, and the dangers of these nut jobs.

cavsfan1985 said:

I never said this. I was talking about banning guns all together. My guns are stored in a safe, which also have a lock on the trigger.

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and I said this tragedy perhaps could have been averted had his mom done the same. I also showed in the other thread how Japan requires this kind of gun safety. Instead of agreeing with me that something like this could help, you told me to move to Japan.

I don't want to move to Japan, I do want my daughter, who loves school, to feel safe actually going to school.