Connecticut School Shooting

[Phills14]

Some of the points of view here are really unbeleivable. Lets put guns in schools. Are you kidding me people? I can't think of a worse idea that that. Litterally I can't.

 

[KI4MVP]

I agree. It just pisses me off when people try to force there will on you. If you don't believe in guns, then don't own one. My main political belief is people have the right to do what ever they want as long as it not against the law. We have laws to prevent what happened, but the person decided to break them and kill himself. What else can we do but be more proactive in educating people, and the dangers of these nut jobs.

How is that the answer? That's like telling people if you don't like smoking then don't smoke. Or if you don't like drunk drivers, don't drink.

Smoking poses a danger to people who don't smoke. Laws were changed to protect people from second hand smoke. When I was a kid, every public place you went was filled with smoke. Ball games, concerts, restaurants, bowling alleys, etc. Today, non smokers can go anywhere in ohio without breathing any second hand smoke. Ball games, restaurants, casinos, etc. At the same time, smokers are still able to smoke. Nobody banned smoking, they instead make sensible changes that protected the health of non-smokers.

Guns pose a danger to people who don't own them. It is certainly reasonable for people to ask for better gun safety in this country. A lot can be done to reduce tragedies such as this shooting without taking away the rights of responsible gun owners. When are the responsible gun owners going to step up and demand that things change? How many deaths does it take for people to demand better? Why aren't you outraged that others aren't as responsible with their guns as you are with yours? And if you are outraged, why don't you want it to change?

 

[KI4MVP]

Some of the points of view here are really unbeleivable. Lets put guns in schools. Are you kidding me people? I can't think of a worse idea that that. Litterally I can't.

giving them to all of the students would be worse.

 

[AZ_]

It is not illegal to own a gun in Japan or the UK.

Japan's process to own a gun is second to none, and should be followed by the United States.

 

[Rich]

Going to be tough to carry out attacks when guns are banned.

Not realistic? Tell that to the countries who did it.

Why?

There is a man who wants to kill children and his parents and everyone he can. Guns are banned, so he can't go buy them at a local store. Does this stop him? Does he say "Well, since the local hunting store can't sell guns anymore, I give up."

Or does he simply go out on the street and find someone willing to sell them? And how hard would that be exactly? Because if you think it's going to be difficult, you are fooling yourself.

 

[AZ_]

Why?

There is a man who wants to kill children and his parents and everyone he can. Guns are banned, so he can't go buy them at a local store. Does this stop him? Does he say "Well, since the local hunting store can't sell guns anymore, I give up."

Or does he simply go out on the street and find someone willing to sell them? And how hard would that be exactly? Because if you think it's going to be difficult, you are fooling yourself.

The success of other countries makes me believe that yes, that will be enough of a deterrent. The same scenario applies to active madmen in the UK or Japan, yet miraculously we have never seen anything close to what we witnessed unfold yesterday.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Some of the points of view here are really unbeleivable. Lets put guns in schools. Are you kidding me people? I can't think of a worse idea that that. Litterally I can't.

I admit, maybe my style is a little too pungent for some peaceful people. The days of the wild west and protecting yourself in a gunfight are just too far fetched for some people to agree with.

I am just really saddened that we can't all find a reasonable solution to at least prevent any of these school shootings to happen in the future.

I mean common people, I thought we were America, I thought we could come up with solutions and be innovative and work our way through problems. We just get so sidetracked in all of the political bullshit nowadays. Our grand parents made it through a world war, a great depression, my parents made it through a nuclear missile scare, we put a fucking man on the moon, we can send a robot to Mars 300 million miles away...... yet we can't do anything to alleviate or minimize these kinds of incidents? What the fuck America, we are better than that!

Tell me if this is reasonable, I definitely think it's a bit more mild than my "every man for himself" solutions

Rather than worrying about Hamas, or Israel, or Syria or anyone else..... Let's worry about AMERICA and Americans first and foremost.



I think any reasonable person would agree that we are spending money out of our ass for issues unrelated to America. Our military spending is draconian, we could cut 25% of our military spending and still have the most powerful armed forces than any other country in the world.

How about we re-allocate our wasteful spending and pass legislature that sees every school in America have a heavily armed guard on staff, in the school building, there to protect our young children, in the event something catastrophic happens.

I just can't help but think that something could be done for the future. No amount of intervention, or school psychology could see something like this happen. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do early prevention stuff at all....We just can't have that be our sole answer to this problem. Anyone can snap at any given moment and acquire a firearm and surprise us all. We need to have hard solutions as well, like trained guards in school that can actually intervene.

Teachers being the ones to take action and fire a weapon is just unreasonable to some people. I understand your concern. I don't think anyone should oppose trained guards being there to be the "first responder" in a situation like this.

I also think all school rooms need to be fitted with some type of panic button that would signal exactly where the attacks were happening. Both teachers and students would need to know how to activate the signal, should something terrible happen in their classroom. If a student wants to be a prankster and set off the alarm, zero tolerance policy, expelled... No questions asked. Make it a criminal offense.

The students wouldn't even need to see the security guards routinely policing the hallways. They wouldn't need to be scared, and constantly reminded that there is a heavily armed guard in their school, they wouldn't even need to see them. Just as long as they knew someone was in the building to protect them, it could help ease the children's worries.


We can collaborate and get creative. Are we still a great country? I think there's still some patriots out there, I believe the power of good still exists somewhere out there...... Are we going to be a great country? or are we going to be this new sorry ass America that can't even balance our god damn checkbook?

 

[Rich]

The idea of banning all guns is ridiculous and not practical. Banning certain high power weapons is feasable. I don't think many people are taking the stance of banning all guns. Most people want to restrict the mentally unstable and challaneged citizens access to them. Not unreasonable.

Also, to your #3 point. More people will die as a result of the blackmarket which I don't disagree with. However; the majority of people that die in your scenario will certainly be looking for trouble where the kindergartners and teachers couldn't have been more innoncent.

I give you Mexico, where all sorts of innocent people are dying daily due to the drug war and the power the cartels have gained.

And when we look at the Drug War, there are still plenty of people actually dying from the drugs or drug confrontations beyond police vs. the dealers. The drugs are still getting into the hands of those that want them. Likewise, weapons would still manage to get into the hands of crazy guys like this who then would use them to kill children. These types of crimes, the ones where someone is really determined and it isn't just a momentary fit of rage...these types of crimes would continue to occur.

 

[Rich]

The success of other countries makes me believe that yes, that will be enough of a deterrent. The same scenario applies to active madmen in the UK or Japan, yet miraculously we have never seen anything close to what we witnessed unfold yesterday.

Have you ever looked at the crime statistics of Japan. Low...for a long, long, long time. That's a cultural difference that has existed for for many decades, if not centuries.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

I live in Windsor, ON across the river from Detroit. There are more gun related murders in Detroit in one day than there have been in Windsor in the past 3 years. Does this correlate directly to Canada having stricter gun laws? I would say it probably does.

Those that carry guns or own guns should be all in favor of however many hoops a person has to jump through to obtain a firearm.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Lets just end the gun control debate all together. Please, let's not sidetrack a great discussion with political nonsense.

There's an argument for gun control and there's an argument against gun control. Both are reasonable, there would be problems with having more guns, and there would be problems with innocent people being denied firearms to protect themselves.

My father always told me, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Nobody on this website is going to decisively win a gun control debate, there are perfectly logical arguments and counterarguments for both sides.

Guns will always be here, you simply can't get rid of them, and they are our constitutional right.

Let's just pledge to have a decent conversation here without getting caught up on the issue of guns being the problem. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem.

Guns are not going away, so just stop arguing for that, otherwise your just being utopian and unrealistic which results in us going nowhere here.

 

[AZ_]

Have you ever looked at the crime statistics of Japan. Low...for a long, long, long time. That's a cultural difference that has existed for for many decades, if not centuries.

I don't disagree with this at all, and I don't expect there to be less than 10 gun deaths per year like there are in Japan.

But there is simply no evidence to suggest that mirroring their laws on gun control wouldn't vastly deter criminals from carrying out violence to a lesser rate than they do today.

 

[KI4MVP]

Lets just end the gun control debate all together. Please, let's not sidetrack a great discussion with political nonsense.

There's an argument for gun control and there's an argument against gun control. Both are reasonable, there would be problems with having more guns, and there would be problems with innocent people being denied firearms to protect themselves.

My father always told me, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Nobody on this website is going to decisively win a gun control debate, there are perfectly logical arguments and counterarguments for both sides.

Guns will always be here, you simply can't get rid of them, and they are our constitutional right.

Let's just pledge to have a decent conversation here without getting caught up on the issue of guns being the problem. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem.

Guns are not going away, so just stop arguing for that, otherwise your just being utopian and unrealistic which results in us going nowhere here.

my proposed solution, which is in the middle, is the first post of the gun control thread. I believe we could cut the gun death rate in half in the US without banning guns if everyone made it a priority.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

I don't disagree with this at all, and I don't expect there to be less than 10 gun deaths per year like there are in Japan.

But there is simply no evidence to suggest that mirroring their laws on gun control wouldn't vastly deter criminals from carrying out violence to a lesser rate than they do today.

I could take a baseball bat and bash your brains in. Are you going to make baseball bats illegal too? Your'e talking about issues unique to the culture of Japan and America respectively.

You are not going anywhere with this Boobie. You really are not. If you like Japan so much, then move there, but you can't expect America to suddenly turn into a tranquil place like Japan just because we ban guns.

 

[Backstage]

I could take a baseball bat and bash your brains in. Are you going to make baseball bats illegal too? Your talking about issues unique to the culture of Japan and America respectively.

Your not going anywhere with this Boobie. Your really not. If you like Japan so much, then move there but you can't expect America to suddenly turn into a tranquil place like Japan just because we ban guns.

God damnit.