Anderson Varejao

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Kizzle said:

Believe statistically AV was 2nd or 3rd ranked C before he got injured......Hes definitely top 5 C imo, not looking at that statistically at all. Just by eye

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Dwight Hoawrd, Roy Hibbert, Tim Duncan, JoaKim Noah, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, healthy Bynum, Kevin Garnett, maybe Pekovich, Brook Lopez, Tyson Chandler, DeMarcus Cousins, Marc Gasol.

No way Varejao is top 5. Maybe top 10 but definitely not top 5. I love Andy as much as anybody but come on now...

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Nathan S said:

I agree that Duncan, Howard, and Gasol are all better. Not sure who else you would put in front of him. Take his injuries into account and he slides significantly, but when healthy you can certainly make the case he's a top-5 center in the league.

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Dwight, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Noah, Brook Lopez. I don't see how you can argue that Andy is better than any of these guys. He's good but not top 5 center in the league.

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LoooNeY said:

Dwight Hoawrd, Roy Hibbert, Tim Duncan, JoaKim Noah, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, healthy Bynum, Kevin Garnett, maybe Pekovich, Brook Lopez, Tyson Chandler, DeMarcus Cousins, Marc Gasol.

No way Varejao is top 5. Maybe top 10 but definitely not top 5. I love Andy as much as anybody but come on now...

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some of those you listed are PFs

Roy Hibbert only averaged 12/8 for the season. Does one good series against a team with no center change his value that much?

edit: I do agree top 5 is probably too high for Andy, although he played like a top 5 center last season.

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KI4MVP said:

some of those you listed are PFs

Roy Hibbert only averaged 12/8 for the season. Does one good series against a team with no center change his value that much?

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I'm pretty sure all of the players I listed played the majority of their minutes at the 5.

So you're telling me you'd rather have Varejao over Roy Hibbert if given the chance? This is probably why we couldn't trade Andy before the trade deadline or before the draft. People overvalue him. He's a great player but not top 5 center.

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Im tellin you guys I think he was ranked as the 2nd or 3rd best C statistically SOMEWHERE. Looking at the eye test he was definitely top 5 C imo, ALL AROUND. Id definitely take AV Lopez cause he doesn't rebound or play D.

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LoooNeY said:

Dwight, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Noah, Brook Lopez. I don't see how you can argue that Andy is better than any of these guys. He's good but not top 5 center in the league.

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Over a healthy Andy im only taking Dwight, and Cousins.
The rest of those names are sexy names but look at it combine offense and defense......Andy was better than all of them

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LoooNeY said:

I'm pretty sure all of the players I listed played the majority of their minutes at the 5.

So you're telling me you'd rather have Varejao over Roy Hibbert if given the chance? This is probably why we couldn't trade Andy before the trade deadline or before the draft. People overvalue him. He's a great player but not top 5 center.

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It depends on need. Varejao is the better player IMO, but he obviously doesn't have the strength or rim protecting abilities. At this point you would do it because of health, but I am not sure Miami wins if AV was playing for the Pacers in the playoffs. He is a better defender and is much more versatile. Just from his rebounding alone, AV would destroy Miami in that series.

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How many C on that list can get 14 boards, 14 points, and guard back to the basket 5s AND perimeter bigs at a high level?


Dwight and Andy....that's it

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Kizzle said:

Over a healthy Andy im only taking Dwight, and Cousins.
The rest of those names are sexy names but look at it combine offense and defense......Andy was better than all of them

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Lmao, ok. I know it's a Cleveland forum but sheeeesh. That's crazy man.

Cavatt said:

It depends on need. Varejao is the better player IMO, but he obviously doesn't have the strength or rim protecting abilities. At this point you would do it because of health, but I am not sure Miami wins if AV was playing for the Pacers in the playoffs. He is a better defender and is much more versatile. Just from his rebounding alone, AV would destroy Miami in that series.

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How is Andy more versatile than Roy Hibbert? Hibbert is better than Andy on offense and defense I don't see what you mean. Also Hibbert was in discussion for DPOY while Andy had no chance of winning. And I know Varejao only played 25 games but still even if he had played the whole year Hibbert still would've finished higher than him.

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Kizzle said:

How many C on that list can get 14 boards, 14 points, and guard back to the basket 5s AND perimeter bigs at a high level?


Dwight and Andy....that's it

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All of those centers could easily get 14 and 14 and all of them excel on defense. And when was Andy guarding perimeter bigs? All of those centers I listed could easily grab more rebounds if they didn't play with PFs that excel at rebounding the basketball. Brook plays with Reggie Evans, Noah plays with Boozer, Marc plays with Z-Bo, and Roy plays with David West.

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Im just givin my opinion.......Yeah im biased but Hibbert was pedestrian all year until Miami and Lopez doesn't do things centers need to do to lead winning teams. Noah is a beast but last year Andy was way better

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LoooNeY said:

All of those centers could easily get 14 and 14 and all of them excel on defense. And when was Andy guarding perimeter bigs? All of those centers I listed could easily grab more rebounds if they didn't play with PFs that excel at rebounding the basketball. Brook plays with Reggie Evans, Noah plays with Boozer, Marc plays with Z-Bo, and Roy plays with David West.

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Gonna have to call baLoooNeY on that one.

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I know I said it before but it feels good having 2 top 10 centers on the same team if healthy. One of em may be the best in the league one day if he comes back healthy on top of that

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LoooNeY said:

Hibbert is better than Andy on offense

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I have to hope this was a joke :chuckles:

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Nathan S said:

I agree that Duncan, Howard, and Gasol are all better. Not sure who else you would put in front of him. Take his injuries into account and he slides significantly, but when healthy you can certainly make the case he's a top-5 center in the league.

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Duncan has primarily been a PF for most of his career. He can play C, but he's mostly been a PF. He has started only 13 games at C over the past ten seasons. Varejao doesn't have as long of a record nor as many starts since he was a spark off the bench at first, but over his career he has 114 starts at C and only 39 at PF. Despite his limited time healthy, Varejao has 50 starts at C over the past two years compared 0 for Duncan. Duncan is an all-time great in my book, but as a PF.

Marc Gasol is good, but I like Varejao better - especially on the glass. I'm assuming you're referring to the younger Gasol since Pau has mostly been a PF since going to LA.

A guy like Aldridge also can be considered a Center, but he doesn't play much there either.

Asik is a Center, but can't say he's better than Varejao. They are actually pretty close overall. Tyson Chandler? I'd take Varejao, though I like Chandler. Howard is definitely better. Bynum was too two seasons ago.

Better than Al Jefferson?

I think Varejao's presence in the paint and his frenetic nature put him up there. He was overall pretty fantastic in his short time this year. And a lot of guys that people think at Cs often never really play there. Teams often try to put some kind of rebounding or defensive force there and place the offensive guys at PF.

Varejao is pretty good, any way you slice it. Have to give Paxson credit for getting him - and I recall him saying back then that Varejao was their main target with Gooden being icing on the cake. That may be giving Paxson too much credit, but he's turned out to be a very good player and a fan fave.