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Mr. MacPhisto said:
Duncan has primarily been a PF for most of his career. He can play C, but he's mostly been a PF.
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Yeah, agreed. But put him at center and he's totally capable of dominating there too. That's why I include him in the conversation.
 
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LoooNeY said:
Lmao, ok. I know it's a Cleveland forum but sheeeesh. That's crazy man.



How is Andy more versatile than Roy Hibbert? Hibbert is better than Andy on offense and defense I don't see what you mean. Also Hibbert was in discussion for DPOY while Andy had no chance of winning. And I know Varejao only played 25 games but still even if he had played the whole year Hibbert still would've finished higher than him.
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Andy is a better pick and roll finisher, a better jumpshooter. He can guard multiple positions. He is one of the best if not the best pick and roll defenders in the league. His weakside awareness and overall bball IQ is way better than Hibbert's. Do you remember how many 20+ rebounding games he had last year? His rebounding is on a Noah or Kevin love level. I won't say Dwight because that has more to do with athleticism. He is one of the most fundamentally sound players in the league.

No one really knows what AV can do on offense because it is not his focus. When he has been called upon to score he has done a great job. Hell, he won that game against the Hawks years ago with a buzzer beating 3.

Andy is an excellent passer. You can run the offense through him much like Marc Gasol. Andy sets some of the best screens in the NBA. He is crafty, and there are only a few guys who put English on the ball like he does. Irving is one of them.

Hibbert is slow footed and is a post guy. That is it. He is a traditional center with a hook, a short jump shot, and he is strong as hell. He is a load to be sure, but saying he is more versatile than AV is not true. You can't run Hibbert in a small lineup. You can run AV in a small or big lineup at pf or C. That and all of the above is why I think he is more versatile.

Like I said, health is obviously very much in Hibbert's favor.
 
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I've haven't been the biggest fan of Varejao since his hold out. But, he's become one of the best rebounders in the league. I don't think he's a center, he's just not a power forward anymore. duncan has gone through the same things as varejao. Neither had great athleticism, and as they entered their 30's you've seen more and more players beat them off the dribble at power forward. The way I look at it the cavaliers don't play a center. Bynum is the first center we have had since Z, and Shaq.
 
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Mr. MacPhisto said:
Duncan has primarily been a PF for most of his career. He can play C, but he's mostly been a PF. He has started only 13 games at C over the past ten seasons.
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I can't confirm the accuracy, but 82games shows Duncan spending most of his minutes at center since the mid 2000s.
 
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Cavatt said:
Andy is a better pick and roll finisher, a better jumpshooter. He can guard multiple positions. He is one of the best if not the best pick and roll defenders in the league. His weakside awareness and overall bball IQ is way better than Hibbert's. Do you remember how many 20+ rebounding games he had last year? His rebounding is on a Noah or Kevin love level. I won't say Dwight because that has more to do with athleticism. He is one of the most fundamentally sound players in the league.

No one really knows what AV can do on offense because it is not his focus. When he has been called upon to score he has done a great job. Hell, he won that game against the Hawks years ago with a buzzer beating 3.

Andy is an excellent passer. You can run the offense through him much like Marc Gasol. Andy sets some of the best screens in the NBA. He is crafty, and there are only a few guys who put English on the ball like he does. Irving is one of them.

Hibbert is slow footed and is a post guy. That is it. He is a traditional center with a hook, a short jump shot, and he is strong as hell. He is a load to be sure, but saying he is more versatile than AV is not true. You can't run Hibbert in a small lineup. You can run AV in a small or big lineup at pf or C. That and all of the above is why I think he is more versatile.

Like I said, health is obviously very much in Hibbert's favor.
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You can provide your opinion all you want but in the end you'd be hard pressed to find a GM in the league who considers Varejao a top 5 center in the league. Shit if he was a top 5 center we could've easily traded him alone for another high lottery pick in this draft. Idk, I guess it's just me but I don't consider Andy top 5.
 
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Cavatt said:
Agreed. They can get 14 and 14, but they can't average 14 and 14.
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Yeah he averaged 14 and 14 but he had only played 25 games...I don't think he would've kept up that production throughout the whole year.
 
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LoooNeY said:
You can provide your opinion all you want but in the end you'd be hard pressed to find a GM in the league who considers Varejao a top 5 center in the league. Shit if he was a top 5 center we could've easily traded him alone for another high lottery pick in this draft. Idk, I guess it's just me but I don't consider Andy top 5.
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What part of "when healthy" do you not understand? We all understand that Andy doesn't have as much value as other top-10 centers because of his injury problems. But he'd surely command as much value as those other guys if he were playing 70+ games every season.
 
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LoooNeY said:
Dwight, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Noah, Brook Lopez. I don't see how you can argue that Andy is better than any of these guys. He's good but not top 5 center in the league.
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I think you can make an argument that he is as good or better than all except Howard. Gasol and Lopez can put up some points, but they are not as good at getting rebounds. Second chance buckets that Andy creates due to his rebounding don't count unless he scores them. And AV was pulling down 5.5 offensive rebounds per game last year. That's more than 3 more offensive rebounds per game than Marc Gasol (and Varejao nearly doubled Gasol up on RPG) and almost double Lopez's offensive rebounds. AV has over a 2 RPG advantage there even when you adjust PER36. AV also got over SIX more rebounds per game total than Lopez when you adjust PER36.

Lopez is also hardly a plus defender. I've never felt he's all that good on D. Of course, that cannot be said for Marc Gasol. He's an excellent defender (as you can see by his fresh DPOY award).

So I can certainly give you Gasol. Lopez is a harder argument. AV is better than Noah. Hibbert's rep has climbed up because of the playoffs, but I still think AV is better overall too.

Dwight is obvious. I'll give you Gasol, because there's a strong argument there. A healthy Bynum would be in the discussion. Beyond that, Andy can be argued for.

And last year, he was definitely top 5 during his limited appearances.
 
Oh heyyyy it's a thread titled "Anderson Varejao." Let's continue this conversation here so wuck has fewer posts to move later.
 
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LoooNeY said:
Bad joke, try again :thumbdown:
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Did it hurt your feelings or something? It's one thing to have a lively debate, it's another to take it so seriously that you have to defend yourself against silly comments. If it was a bad joke you could let its badness speak for itself.

Now, looking at the argument, there are few centers that can do what Andy does on defense. Most of the best defensive centers are good at protecting the rim and playing one on one rather than being a versatile and energetic defender like Andy. He also shows great prowess on the cut and has a perplexingly okay midrange game now. Given all of this you could argue that a healthy Andy is a top ten center and maybe even squeak into the top five. Squeak is a stretch though.

I agree that he's overvalued and people are quick to call stats bloated when the player is on another shitty team but somehow Andy's 14 and 14 is legitimate and not at all boosted by our shitty young bigs and lack of talent last year. Rankings don't really matter all that much to me because it's all about how the pieces we have can contribute. Having a top 5 center doesn't mean shit if our perimeter defense is garbage and he's injured all the time anyway. I don't care how many awards he gets or how much attention he gets from the media (as nice as it'd be) as long as he's playing like Anderson Varejao this season all season.
 
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LoooNeY said:
Yeah he averaged 14 and 14 but he had only played 25 games...I don't think he would've kept up that production throughout the whole year.
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With 25 games at a 14.4 pace already under his belt, the odds are good that Varejao's 82 game average would've been closer to 14 than every other center you listed.
 
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