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Game 19 | Cavs @ Hawks | Friday December 06, 2013 7:30 P.M. ET

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I honestly think Kyrie is having problems mentally. He has had so many deals, commercials and so much praise in the last year that he doesn't feel like an underdog anymore. He has nothing to prove. He thinks too much. I still have faith in him. Right now though, Dion is playing better. We need to give Dion the praise he deserves. Give him the ball for a game winning shot, and let him work. Until Kyrie shows improvement, I say we get on Waiters shoulders and see how he does.
 
We're not even a quarter way through this season and you disregard what he did the last two years and think he can't come back to form? Yeah, you the mento buddy.

Now you know how we feel when everyone would pile on Dion :chuckles: Im a Cavs fan first and foremost. I have grown to consider Dion as my favorite player on the team. Mainly because it seemed like everyone would say that he wasn't good enough or wasn't worth the 4th pick and I didn't understand why people would say that. Which led me to want to stick up for him. I felt like you could see flashes last year and he works hard to get better (see his jumper tonight). I'm also a fan of Kyrie and I don't want to trade him. Hopefully he will start playing better this year.

Maybe Dion should be our leader? Just because Kyrie is our best player doesn't mean he's fit to lead the team. I like Dion's relentlessness and grit when he's on the court. He might not be the best at communicating, but sometimes you lead by example. Of course, this is my opinion and we will see how it plays out.
 
I love how he needs more talent to not totally suck on a night when Waiters gets 30 on 20 shots and Bynum gets 20 and 13. Meanwhile, Irving is sucking the huge one and it's literally everyone elses fault. The logic.
 
Just out of curiosity, who other than Dion is ahead of him in those categories?

Well that's for the entire NBA. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not lol. But for usage rate Boogie Cousins and Westbrook. For fga Aldridge and Melo.
 
Have we seen this rotation? I honestly think this would work:

Kyrie-Dion-Bennett-Thompson-Bynum


If Kyrie, Dion or Bennett start going cold switch them out for Jack or Delly. I know some of you think AB is a bust, but the dude plays 2 minutes a fucking game. Of course he's gonna be scared, he isn't used to it. He is getting small touches here and there and when he makes a rookie mistake, the media jumps on his ass and makes fun of him. Let the young fella play big minutes for a few games. What the fuck do we have to lose?
 
sometimes I wonder if Pepe has me on ignore.
 
LINK: http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/haw...lse&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Hawks 108, Cavaliers 89: Kyrie Irving goes scoreless, missing nine shots, three free throws

ATLANTA: Kyrie Irving sat dressed and ready at his locker Friday night waiting for reporters to enter and ask him where his shot has gone. He knew it was coming after his first scoreless NBA game.

He missed all nine shots he took in the Cavs’ 108-89 pounding at the hands of the Atlanta Hawks. He also missed his final five shots of Wednesday’s win against the Denver Nuggets, meaning Irving has missed his last 14 shots and hasn’t scored a basket since 4:44 remained in the third quarter Wednesday.

“There wasn’t one look I didn’t like,” Irving said. “I only shot nine times, I thought I shot more. They were all good misses for me, but it happens.”

For Irving, it’s been happening all too frequently this season. His miserable night dropped his season shooting percentage below 40 percent (39.4). That’s down significantly from his 45 percent last season, which was down slightly from his 47 percent his rookie season.

He insists he isn’t hurt and doesn’t see anything mechanically wrong with his shot despite a funk that is only deepening.

“I’m not shooting the best this year, but I’m getting the shots that I want and that’s all you can ask for,” he said. “You can look back and try to fix things, but at the end of the day I play off instincts. Sometimes I’m out there thinking too much, but you’ve just got to play basketball. The confidence level has to remain the same for myself and my teammates.”

Irving missed three more 3-pointers Friday to drop his percentage to exactly 30 percent (27 of 90) and it has even extended to the free-throw line. He was an 86 percent free-throw shooter through his first two seasons, but he missed three more Friday to fall to 78 percent this season. He missed 42 free throws all last season. He has already missed 20 through 19 games.

Brown, however, insists he isn’t concerned over Irving’s sudden inability to make a basket.

“I’m not worried about his shot,” Brown said. “It’s fine. He’s going to make enough shots, he’s going to score enough points for us to win games. I just want our overall defense and grittiness and all that stuff to be better.”

Irving’s offensive problems were a microcosm of the Cavs’ struggles Friday. Dion Waiters was terrific with a season-high 30 points, falling three shy of his career high. Andrew Bynum had 20 points and 13 rebounds, his third consecutive game with big numbers. Waiters and Bynum were a combined 22 of 34 shooting. The rest of the team combined to shoot 16 of 60 (27 percent).

The Cavs trailed by as many as 29 early in the third quarter, but cut the deficit to 84-72 on a 3-pointer from Matthew Dellavedova with 10:13 to play. That’s as close as they got.

The game really slipped away in the final two minutes of the first quarter. The Cavs only trailed 27-18 with 1:47 left, but the Hawks scored 10 points in the last 1:31. A 50-foot heave from Paul Millsap at the quarter buzzer pushed the lead to 37-20 and the Cavs never recovered.

“Every time a team throws the first punch, we lay down,” Waiters said. “Instead of just playing, guys have their head down and we’re moping.”

The loss dropped the Cavs to a pitiful 1-10 on the road, making them the first NBA team to 10 road losses this season. But the Utah Jazz played at Portland later Friday with the chance to tie the Cavs’ woeful road mark.

“With a young team, we’re going to have lulls like this,” Brown said. ‘Hopefully we don’t have as many in a row as we’re having now going forward. But I’m going to keep coaching. Guys, hopefully, are going to keep trying to play hard and do what we ask until we can figure out how to get this thing right on the road.”

Brown yanked Irving five minutes into the third quarter with the Cavs down 29 and didn’t play him the rest of the night. Brown said aside from a second unit that consisted of Waiters, Dellavedova and Jarrett Jack, he thought the Cavs simply didn’t play hard enough to win. That has been the chorus for terrible Cavs teams each of the last two seasons and it doesn’t seem to be changing.

“We’re not a good enough team to just come out the way we came out,” Waiters said. “It’s frustrating having to keep talking about the same thing over and over instead of just going out there and doing it.”

The Hawks’ Kyle Korver set an NBA record with his 3-pointer with 5:29 left in the first quarter. It was his 90th consecutive game with a 3, breaking the previous record set by the Boston Celtics’ Dana Barros.

Tyler Zeller needed five stitches to close a gash above his left eye. He was hit during the first half, but was able to return to the game. It has been a difficult season for Zeller, who missed nearly all of training camp with a hip injury and then appendicitis. Now he’ll have a black eye, too, which is a fairly accurate illustration of the Cavs’ season.

Or there’s this: As Brown began addressing reporters Friday, the backdrop fell down on top of him. As the NBA season rounds the quarter-pole, it’s starting to feel like the curtain is crashing on the Cavs, too.

“Superman is not coming in the locker room to help us,” Waiters said. “It’s just us and we’re all we got.”

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Loving the quotes from Dion.
 
Dion sounds like a true leader of this team.

Yes He and Bynum. Dion with the play and words and Bynum with this play on bad knees doing this well already should Inspire this team. Dion may be the best and worst number 4 pick In history lol
 
Yeah your're right Kyrie should just give up and let Dion lead us to the promise land.

If Kyrie murdered your family, what would make you more upset, the fact that your family was dead, or that they got blood on Kyrie's clothes? You have a blind allegiance that is breathtaking.
 
Reading the comments in this thread and I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that this franchise is about to endure yet another string of "The Team That Screwed It Up". The "FAgency" (old Dick Vitale tweet from years ago) model where people try to make "counter teams" with multiple free agent and/or trade stars has ruined the enjoyment factor of the game, IMO. I don't know what's happened to Kyrie to just make him quit like this, but I don't like it. I didn't even get to see most of the game but I do believe a boxscore like this speaks for itself.

Again, there are a number of factors that just make this team bad, which is topped by Kyrie quitting like this. And again, the first person I blame is Chris Grant. He ignored the SF position (probably because he had some devious plan of bringing back Starscream) and somehow ended up with like 90 PFs on a team. Then rehired Mike Brown, whose offense is stuck in 2007. Something has to be done. I know a lot of people are like "Let him leave" right now, but that does nothing but sully the franchise's reputation even further. They have to admit they screwed up and they have to stop hoping for the impossible.

This was a disastrous night coming off the Denver game (I saw a little of Denver/Boston and saw the former getting abused by the latter); I didn't get to see the game as I was out somewhere in the city during the game, but when I saw 66 Cavs - 84 Hawks in the 4th quarter I knew something was up. Kyrie's boxscore speaks for itself. Just awful. It's enough to turn (certain) fans against him. And that's all that's needed for Chris Grant to make a horrible panic move.
 

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