Cleveland Browns New Head Coach Search, 2014

OhioSlayer said:

On a side note, I think hiring Pettine is a better move than hiring Quinn.

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I'd agree with this.

RappSoda said:

Well now, hold on.

There's a significant raise, it is a rise in responsibility/voice (could be a deterrent), 4th pick, decent defensive roster with an offensive blank canvas.

If you're going to knock the job, say why. Your reason is those who are in control and that's a big factor, but it doesn't make the job untouchable.

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It makes the job untouchable to those who don't trust the organization and feel they can do better.

Clearly the guys the Browns wanted most didn't feel the Browns opportunity was better than being coordinators with their current team, becoming a HC elsewhere or staying in the college ranks.

RappSoda said:

Well now, hold on.

There's a significant raise, it is a rise in responsibility/voice (could be a deterrent), 4th pick to jump-start your tenure (good draft picks), decent defensive roster with an offensive blank canvas.

If you're going to knock the job, say why. Your reason is those who are in control and that's a big factor, but it doesn't make the job untouchable. I will admit that the amount of voice that a coach seems to have (from what I've read) can't be very appealing when it's the other two guys' long sought desire...

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No QB
No RB
Headcase WR in Little.
Who knows if Gordon gets suspended for the year.
You have the 4th pick but would you be here long enough to develop a rookie?
What actual say do you have in the from office?
You can get a hell of a lot better HC job next year
The job security you have now




Do you want me to go on?

We better draft a stud QB. I keep having thoughts of us drafting Manziel and he ends up looking like Colt McCoy running around the field in constant fear for his life.

This head coaching position can be a debacle but this draft can't.

JSS2306 said:

We better draft a stud QB. I keep having thoughts of us drafting Manziel and he ends up looking like Colt McCoy running around the field in constant fear for his life.

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Much like Colt McCoy, Manziel's failure will have very little to do with running for his life.

JSS2306 said:

We better draft a stud QB. I keep having thoughts of us drafting Manziel and he ends up looking like Colt McCoy running around the field in constant fear for his life.

This head coaching position can be a debacle but this draft can't be.

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That's the thing though, no matter how good the draft looks on paper if the Browns don't have the right coach for the players or a coach that can develop a scheme it's all shit.

Say you get a stud QB. How many offenses will he have to learn in the next 5 years? Would that actually help him in his growth? Didn't think so.

Whoever the Browns hire, they need to stick with him for a few years.

It is fine to be disappointed the Browns' top choices are turning them down. But look at most of the top choices... Chip Kelly? Nick Saban? Bill Cowher (usually)? Bob Stoops? Jon Gruden? Sure Gase and McDaniels sprinkled in, but most of the guys the Browns flirt with are as big as it gets.

The Lions struck out on Whiz, or Wiz, or whatever the fuck he likes being called. But who cares? It's Ken Whisenhunt. His name isn't to the caliber of the Browns' "top targets." Maybe the problem is the Browns' expectation level. If this whole process just involved Quinn, Gase, etc., and they ended up with Quinn, would the freakout be this ridiculous? Probably not.

The top targets for other teams were Mike Zimmer, Jim Caldwell, etc. The biggest get this off season was Bill O'Brien, and as a Penn State fan even I think he is a tad overrated. He struggled to control the defensive side of the football team and his playcalling/decision making was very questionable at times. Just because they come from college doesn't mean they're big names, either. Greg Schiano? Doug Marrone?

Chip Kelly is the only big name that truly denied the Browns and went elsewhere. Even that took a ton of leg work from the Eagles after Kelly had turned them down as well. If there is any issue, it is the fact that the Browns seem to be the only team, publicly, launching all their efforts at the TOP GUYS in the game. Maybe their expectations need to be a bit more realistic, like literally every other team in this year's coaching search.

The "big name" hires the last few years have been: Jim Harbaugh and Chip Kelly. Name me another coach who was "THE" guy to get for ANY team. I guess John Fox was a hot commodity? But his team took a steamy dump in their pants the year before. Andy Reid wasn't. Nor was Lovie Smith. Same with Jeff Fisher. Was Pete Carroll, an NFL retread, considered to be one? No, just shocking, really.

Big name hires, like the ones the Browns have gone after the last two years (and the Shurmur year), just don't happen that often. So why THAT blows people away is baffling to me.

I get being upset about Gase, but in the grand scheme of REALISTIC things, it isn't the end of the world. Noe if Quinn, Pettine (that how you spell it? Don't care), etc. turn the Browns down, well, then there is a huge issue. For now? Just going to watch.

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It makes the job untouchable to those who don't trust the organization and feel they can do better.

Clearly the guys the Browns wanted most didn't feel the Browns opportunity was better than being coordinators with their current team, becoming a HC elsewhere or staying in the college ranks.

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I can agree with this angle besides your more sarcastic posts. I feel that the roster, past records, location, and qb situation are not what scare away our top HC projects. It's the management, especially now. Why would Gase leave Denver where he runs the best offense in the league, with the best qb in the league, on his way to a Super Bowl, leave to join an organization where its own fans revile their GM and don't trust their President or the Owner that oversees both?

Gase can leave his job whenever he wants, most likely when Peyton retires, to any job he likes in the near future as long as he keeps up his offense at respectable levels.

My biggest question is, who the hell is making the draft picks? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW! So if you're a head coach, and during your interview with the Browns and you ask, "Do I get to pick my own quarterback, and other players I deem fit?" and the answer you get is along the lines of, "Well we run a committee approach to this, but you'll get to voice your opinions in the matter."

My reaction, fuck that. If I'm sticking my ass on the line for the Browns job and know if anything goes wrong that it's on me, I want to pick my own goddamn players to rely on. Not a retarded GM that talked shit on Gordon and was COMPLETELY wrong among his other mistakes. Lombardi is just one problem. Banner and his hunger for power over personnel when he is a cap guy, is another matter in itself.

If we don't respect/hate Lombardi who has a hand in the draft and personnel, what do you think the actual professionals in the league think about him, such as Gase or any other HC prospect?

So there's this:

@MarcSesslerNFL: One thing Pettine is constantly searching for: BITCH-KITTIES, his term for havoc-wreaking pass rushers. He'd thrive in AFC North. #Browns

OhioSlayer said:

Whoever the Browns hire, they need to stick with him for a few years.

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Which is why firing Chud immediately like that was so shortsighted. The next guy they pick they are essentially stuck with because you can't go and fire another coach without permanent damage to the organizations reputation. Look at the fallout from this shitstorm. Could you imagine if they have to settle for a guy and he ends up even worse than Chud?

They are stuck in a hole they themselves dug.

FUCK YES
BITCH-KITTIES
BRING HIM IN

OhioSlayer said:

No QB

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You have the 4th pick in the draft and Hoyer who, you can spin it however you want, looked good in limited time.

OhioSlayer said:

No RB

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No, not really. How many teams have depended upon their RB this year? Oh Minnesota?

OhioSlayer said:

Headcase WR in Little.

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Gone.

OhioSlayer said:

Who knows if Gordon gets suspended for the year.

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Trying to spin Gordon negatively?

OhioSlayer said:

You have the 4th pick but would you be here long enough to develop a rookie?

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Unless you suck completely, you'll have at least a year.

OhioSlayer said:

What actual say do you have in the from office?
You can get a hell of a lot better HC job next year
The job security you have now

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Huge questions in the front office, of course, that must be vetted. You're just wrong, though, that another shitty record team is the answer to current head coach candidates over the Browns one. They all are shitty for a reason or two, each guy just has to debate what matters most. Ya, that's easier to do with multiple options.

RappSoda said:

You have the 4th pick in the draft and Hoyer who, you can spin it however you want, looked good in limited time.

No, not really. How many teams have depended upon their RB this year? Oh Minnesota?

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Pretty sure three of the four teams had a 10+ touchdown guy at running back. Not sure if Gore got to 10 or not.

Smooth said:

So there's this:

@MarcSesslerNFL: One thing Pettine is constantly searching for: BITCH-KITTIES, his term for havoc-wreaking pass rushers. He'd thrive in AFC North. #Browns

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I mean, we already have a "KeKe".

I don't know who the right guy is, if I did, I'd be working in an NFL front office somewhere and not posting on a message board. :gap:

More than anything, this whole process has just been deflating.

I had a really uneasy feeling when Chud was fired, which only grew more uneasy after seeing the press conference.

Now the coaching search....I mean, just as a fan, it is pretty depressing.

We're essentially waving our panties in the air and all the drunk guys stumbling out of the bar are saying no thanks.

Maybe they hire the right guy but more than anything, this years' issues just seemed more personnel related to me.

Fix those roster holes and any competent coach can get us to 8-9 wins IMO.

The biggest red flag, for me, was the way Banner and Co. framed the firing.

It didn't make any sense and watching this process play out just confirms they really had no plan when they axed Chud.

Again, maybe by some crazy stroke of luck they get it right...but my gut tells me our major issues merely revolved around roster deficiencies. Instead of acknowledging as much, they pushed Chud out the door with the thought "we can get anyone we want".

Now we're weeks in to the search and everyone of note has said no thanks. To me, it wreaks of getting caught with your pants down. I guess we'll see over the next 12 months.