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The Kevin Love Safari™

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Multiple Choice: How much would you trade for Kevin Love?

  • Waiters, Thompson and a Pick

    Votes: 150 24.4%

  • Waiters, Bennett and a Pick

    Votes: 138 22.4%

  • Waiters, Thompson and Multiple Picks

    Votes: 150 24.4%

  • Waiters, Bennett and Multiple Picks

    Votes: 165 26.8%

  • Thompson, Bennett and Multiple Picks

    Votes: 80 13.0%

  • Wiggins, 1 of the above players, and a Pick (wouldn't work until 30-days after Wiggins signed)

    Votes: 34 5.5%

  • Wiggins, 2 of the above players and a pick

    Votes: 4 0.6%

  • Wiggins, and whatever players/picks it takes

    Votes: 12 1.9%

  • Revisit trade options for Love later in the season

    Votes: 192 31.2%

  • Not interested in trading for Love this year.

    Votes: 65 10.6%
  • Total voters
    616
  • Poll closed .
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godfather said:
I still think going forward, the Cavs need to target a taller, bigger, defensive perimeter player to take the pressure off him defensively. Scoring wise he's going to be fine, he's not going to have to carry the load like he used to. The Heat last season had no problem scoring the basketball, despite Wades absence. They lead the league in shooting, its defensively where we can't always ask LB to do so much.
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I have two guesses for next off-season:

1. We use the MLE on a defensive wing who can guard the two and three.

2. We flip Haywood's contract and some assets for a big man. Maybe Larry Sanders? It's a risk, but Sanders next to Love would be ridiculous.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I have two guesses for next off-season:

1. We use the MLE on a defensive wing who can guard the two and three.

2. We flip Haywood's contract and some assets for a big man. Maybe Larry Sanders? It's a risk, but Sanders next to Love would be ridiculous.
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Yeah, it's not going to be a huge deal, you can always find guys like this in free agency, and even in the draft. I wouldn't waste any serious assets trading for a wing player like this.

If we don't land a legit starting center, I'd save those assets for that. I still think as long as we're not handing them the Memphis/Heat first round pick (to Minny that is), then some big center should eventually hit the market that can play, that we can obtain via trade.

It really sucks Asik has been traded, that's too bad. But if the Pelicans aren't looking very good, who knows.
 
Walter White said:
I've pretty much got comfortable already with the fact we will have to lose Wiggins. By some miracle we could hold on to him, that would be amazing, but I'm not holding my breath.

Now that we lose Wiggins, it would be nice to find another wing serviceable on defense, since LeBron is basically carrying that load all himself. Of course we couldn't have foreseen losing Wiggins, but this is where it would be nice to have drafted Cleanthony Early. Not a knock on Joe Harris, but we have plenty of shooters already (with Love coming in, and possibly adding Ray Allen).

So it would be cool to add Corey Brewer, but his salary is stretching it a bit. If we give up Wiggins, I would love to end up with Dieng and McDaniels back. One of them at the least. So something like we get Love, Dieng, and McDaniels. Wolves get Wiggins, Young, (unguaranteeds), and a pick or two. And 76ers get Bennett, Barea's expiring, and a 1st rounder (or Joe Harris if necessary).

That is pretty much the perfect trade in my eyes. Maybe there is a dark horse third team, but the third team isn't being brought in just to help satisfy the Wolves needs, but also a couple of our own after losing Wiggins and Bennett. Which is a big man and/or a defensive wing.
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Shawn Marion is still out there if we're talking FA defensive wings.His asking price is up for debate, who knows if he is willing to take a vet min contract. Thad Young has an early termination option for next season, rolling the dice on him considering his discontent with losing in Philly doesn't seem like a bright idea.It's difficult envisioning Flip to walk in circles by picking up Thad Young. Bennett doesn't appear to have reached his ceiling and he's only 21 years old while Thad is 26.
 
It seems like all signs seem to indicate that Wiggins is gone :(

Fuck, it would have been really nice to see him being mentored by LeBron!

We better be getting Dieng back with Love.
 
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Lyuokdea said:
If I were Cleveland. I offer Minny the following three deals:

1.) Waiters + Bennett + Lucas + Miami 1st for Love --- if Push comes to shove from the Minny side, you include the Memphis first as well.

2.) Waiters + Miami 1st to Philly, TT + Young to Minny, Love to Cleveland -- For the Cavs it's almost the same deal as above (TT replaces Bennett), but if you can get philly involved, You can give Minny more of a "win now" team.

3.) Wiggins + Bennett + Lucas for Love + Dieng -- If I'm giving up Wiggins, then I'm demanding a talented Center back, who fits our team. This could be bargained in two ways. I may give up the Miami first. I may also take back Levine instead of Dieng (especially if I can find a way to flip the two firsts for a solid rim protector).

I think I'm happy with all three of those deals -- and my guess is those (or something similar to them) have been the Cleveland offers. We'd be sitting here waiting on every one. We wait on #1, because I don't think Minny is too happy with a loss like that. #2 will take some time to work out because of Philly, #3 will have to wait for Wiggins contract to clear.
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Well said -- I agree with basically all of this. If Minnesota really is absolutely adamant on Wiggins being included -- and I'm saying genuinely adamant, not just temporary posturing as a trade negotiation -- then I would be equally adamant about getting Dieng back.

Anyway, as far as scenario three goes... I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense from Minnesota's perspective. You're going to acquire a potential star in Wiggins, but then trade away one of your more valuable young players in Dieng? Seems sorta like two steps forward, one step back.
 
Randolphkeys said:
If the Minnesota golfer has an inside track - and his info seems legit to me - I'd assume the Cavaliers will have their picks to make more moves. I would happily take Khris Middleton off the Bucks hands for Malcolm Thomas and a first rounder. He can play swingman and kills it from three.
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Wouldn't rim protector be more important?
 
If we are giving up Wiggins, I really feel like we shouldn't have to give up anything else of value. Even though I don't see much in Bennett, I still wouldn't want to trade him in a deal with Wiggins involved. Yes, Bennett does become even less valuable with Love on the team, but it would be nice to keep his depth at PF and if he does develop, he could become a more valuable trade chip later on.

Can we trade Wiggins and some combination of the Jazz contracts, our 2nd rounders, and/or Haywood to get the deal done without including Bennett?

I think that is more than fair for Minnesota.I'd hate to use Haywood's contract now, but if it meant keeping Bennett, I'd do it. If Bennett is included as well, we better be getting Dieng back.
 
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wremy said:
Point is comment was made that with Wiggins or Love this team is a 60 win team.. my point is when the playoffs start its a total different ball game.. those 60 win teams could be nothing alike.. the 60 win regular season team with Wiggins and Bennett on it IMO isn't as playoff ready as the one wit Love on it.. I assume you get my point
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Hard to prove that point one way or the other since none of those players have ever been to the postseason. We don't know if Love will show up in the playoffs or fold like a cheap suit.
 
Getting Dieng may be a battle also. Hearing a lot of TWolve chatter about how much they value him. It wouldn't be surprise me if Minny demands Wiggins and Waiters for Dieng. Seeing how they demand Wiggins it wouldn't surprise me.

But that is definitely a trade I wouldn't do. People on here act like Waiters isn't a borderline star. It kills me honestly that Wiggins is the more valued piece in these talks. Waiters has shown more than Wiggins probably will in the next 2 years and he's young
 
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LeBro said:
Well said -- I agree with basically all of this. If Minnesota really is absolutely adamant on Wiggins being included -- and I'm saying genuinely adamant, not just temporary posturing as a trade negotiation -- then I would be equally adamant about getting Dieng back.

Anyway, as far as scenario three goes... I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense from Minnesota's perspective. You're going to acquire a potential star in Wiggins, but then trade away one of your more valuable young players in Dieng? Seems sorta like two steps forward, one step back.
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I think that's why you give Flip the different options. That way, he'll have to justify the decision to his fanbase after the fact. If he's so stubborn that he won't depart with Dieng for Wiggins, when Love walks away at the end of the year, he'll be left having to explain why he essentially chose Dieng over Wiggins. I guess maybe he'd choose one of the other offers on the table in that case, but the Wolves and their fans seem to be so high on Wiggins, it'd be tough to pass up.

The reason they want Wiggins so bad is because quality > quantity in the NBA. They won't get a player the caliber of Wiggins from any other deal -- probably why they're pushing so hard for him now. Why just give him what he wants? That's not a no-brainer trade EVEN IF Kevin Love wants to stay in Minny and is locked up long term.

I say if we give up Wiggins, at least lean on the leverage (ugh, I know, I know) that we do have to make it a tough decision for Flip. He accepts a Wiggins + filler for Love swap every day of the week. I want him to actually have to make a tough decision here. Otherwise, we're really doing ourselves a disservice given the strength of Wiggins as a trade piece.
 
Gimme Some Mo said:
If we are giving up Wiggins, I really feel like we shouldn't have to give up anything else of value. Even though I don't see much in Bennett, I still wouldn't want to trade him in a deal with Wiggins involved. Yes, Bennett does become even less valuable with Love on the team, but it would be nice to keep his depth at PF and if he does develop, he could become a more valuable trade chip later on.

Can we trade Wiggins and some combination of the Jazz contracts, our 2nd rounders, and/or Haywood to get the deal done without including Bennett?

I think that is more than fair for Minnesota.I'd hate to use Haywood's contract now, but if it meant keeping Bennett, I'd do it. If Bennett is included as well, we better be getting Dieng back.
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Agreed. I don't understand why the talking heads seem to think the Wolves should be seeking equal value in return when (barring a trade) the guy is going to walk at the end of the season and they'll get nothing. It's obviously not apples to apples but look at the returns the Tribe got on Sabathia and Cliff Lee who were in similar situations. Still hoping Philly was brought in to work a Waiters-oriented deal. The fact that Bennett was pulled from the pro-am game gives me hope that something could be imminent.
 
Gimme Some Mo said:
If we are giving up Wiggins, I really feel like we shouldn't have to give up anything else of value. Even though I don't see much in Bennett, I still wouldn't want to trade him in a deal with Wiggins involved. Yes, Bennett does become even less valuable with Love on the team, but it would be nice to keep his depth at PF and if he does develop, he could become a more valuable trade chip later on.

Can we trade Wiggins and some combination of the Jazz contracts, our 2nd rounders, and/or Haywood to get the deal done without including Bennett?

I think that is more than fair for Minnesota.I'd hate to use Haywood's contract now, but if it meant keeping Bennett, I'd do it. If Bennett is included as well, we better be getting Dieng back.
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the "problem" is - and its a very nice problem to have - that we dont really have any real bad contracts. i'd rather keep the haywood contract too, because while bennett surely holds potential, im fine with him going out, because he is still a huge question mark and while the haywood contract can be adressed to strengthen any position we like, bennett plays the same one as love does.

also, if minny is realy that stupid and thinks win now is still the best direction to go, i think a young-thompson offer is probably the best non-wiggins offer we can put out there (outside of maybe varejao and young). from a win-now standpoint benntt is basically just a bad contract.
 
Randolphkeys said:
If the Minnesota golfer has an inside track - and his info seems legit to me - I'd assume the Cavaliers will have their picks to make more moves. I would happily take Khris Middleton off the Bucks hands for Malcolm Thomas and a first rounder. He can play swingman and kills it from three.
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Khris Middleton would be a real nice value get. Good length off the bench at swing, and can play a small stretch 4. Good looking out there.
 
People- I'm worried. The Kevin Love Safari is going on 600 patients, and there hasn't been one bit of genuine news.

Even the Mother of All Safaris - The LeBron Safari - took multiple years to get to 600 pages. Where is the respect for what is sacred?
 
Randolphkeys said:
**I guess it's time for me to say, IMHO, Wiggins will be included. I've thought that for over a week. Minnesota overvalues him too much.
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You're probably right. I either read an article or heard a podcast (can't remember) that was talking to a Minny source. The one thing us Cavs fans haven't been understanding is how dire the Minny ticket sales and general financial health is right now. Apparently, THAT'S WHY Flip and Taylor keep talking about how they're going to the playoffs this year. Their sales -- including the most lucrative corporate sponsorships and suites -- have ground to a halt. They're sweating money and worried that if they go full re-build, sales will only get worse.

At a minimum, if they must go full rebuild, they want it to be around a young, hyped, exciting player like Wiggins. They can sell that kind of rebuild far better than Bennett and Waiters (already seen as busts or non-stars, even if we don't agree) and vague future first-rounders.

The Minny person went so far as to say that the Wolves have already approached major Minny-based companies to do sponsorship and advertising deals with Wiggins, really build a hype machine around him as a way to jack up the fanbase and get interest flowing again.

When you factor in this perspective, all the sudden it makes sense why Flip/Taylor might indeed hold a hard-line on Wiggins -- and if they can't get him might prefer taking a package of proven vets from another team. In the long-run, it's a dumb move but in the short-run, they're financially stressed and desperate to turn it around.
 
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