Dam you got me on the wrong poster thing dead to rights lol. The other part makes me think your blind to certain realities of this America or your stuck in the ostrich with his head in the sand thing. Once again not all people are this way but to act like most don't get there panties in a bunch over kids from the hood is well just unique.
You do know the term "ghetto" is derogatory in use by most people right. Which is what a lot of people would label Dion's attitude.
First of all, disagree and think that is going to change on a night by night basis.
But more importantly, even if true, great! Championship teams need to be full of talent all through their lineup and rotation.
Great. Yes I am aware of all of this.
Would you care to go back through this thread and point out the posters using the word "ghetto" or are you just going to make generalizations like that as your explanative assumption as to why some posters either A: don't like Dion Waiters or B: merely want to be able to discuss, praise, and critique him as a player, the same as we do with all of the players?
Or are all of us on this board(a big mixture of backgrounds, shades, upbringings, etc.) just going to have to trust you on your mind reading and social commentary.
I'm concerned with how Mr. Ball Hard fits in the starting lineup. Have been from the beginning though. Its stupid to have him out there in the starting unit where his main role is to be a spot up shooter/off the ball player. That isn't Dion. That's Mike Miller.
Dion is best suited as a 6th man on this team. He can control the ball and make plays for himself and others. This isnt a knock on Dion. Its just his game. His game isnt needed on the floor when you already have 3 elite scorers out there with him. But with a 2nd unit that needs a creator... he's perfect.
The problem is a Miller, Irving, and Love lineup is really bad defensively. Not sure how Blatt is going to work these lineups but in terms of defense Dion is a much better fit with a guy like Love. Maybe we should bring Lebron off the bench that would actually be a good fit as Marion can start [emoji14]I'm concerned with how Mr. Ball Hard fits in the starting lineup. Have been from the beginning though. Its stupid to have him out there in the starting unit where his main role is to be a spot up shooter/off the ball player. That isn't Dion. That's Mike Miller.
Dion is best suited as a 6th man on this team. He can control the ball and make plays for himself and others. This isnt a knock on Dion. Its just his game. His game isnt needed on the floor when you already have 3 elite scorers out there with him. But with a 2nd unit that needs a creator... he's perfect.
Hmm I see you are stuck on the literal discussion opposed to the unsaid known understanding of our socioeconomic s in today's society. I never said any used ghetto I simply referenced it as the unspoken context of his brashness as perceived by main stream America. So no I wouldn't care to go back and reread it. That salient point of your response is worthless to what I stated.
Black people overall could 2 fucks about Dion's cocky attitude while there are a healthy group of others who would see it as ghetto. WTH are you even getting at. If you can't comprehend this point IDK what to tell you man. You are in a world un aware of basic racial facts you likely shouldn't even attempt to debate on.
I am not speaking from idealism but experience.
Just because Dion starts does not mean he isn't leading the 2nd unit. Look at Blatt's rotation. Dion leaves first around the 7-6 min mark in 1st & 3nd qtr. Lebron, Kryie and Love takes a rest at the 3-2 min mark. That's when Dion comes back in with the 2nd unit. He then rest again when the other starters comes back around the 9-8 min mark in 2nd & 4th and returns later in the qtr to finish. Mike was too dumb to use this type of rotation last year, but thank goodness, we got a smart coach now.Dion is best suited as a 6th man on this team. He can control the ball and make plays for himself and others. This isnt a knock on Dion. Its just his game. His game isnt needed on the floor when you already have 3 elite scorers out there with him. But with a 2nd unit that needs a creator... he's perfect.
I'm concerned with how Mr. Ball Hard fits in the starting lineup. Have been from the beginning though. Its stupid to have him out there in the starting unit where his main role is to be a spot up shooter/off the ball player. That isn't Dion. That's Mike Miller.
Dion is best suited as a 6th man on this team. He can control the ball and make plays for himself and others. This isnt a knock on Dion. Its just his game. His game isnt needed on the floor when you already have 3 elite scorers out there with him. But with a 2nd unit that needs a creator... he's perfect.
No, what you're doing is adding generalizations on top of even more generalizations to this thread.
And me calling them generalizations does not mean I'm not aware they happen everyday. But you came in to this thread in post #16225 and essentially said the reasons why posters on this board and in this thread take issue with Dion is his attitude. That is full blown assumption. Not that that dynamic doesn't often occur in everyday life, but that it is the reasoning or thoughts of people in this thread. Again, do you mind read? If not, why is it bad of me to ask you to take the actual time to find a poster in this thread who has actually exhibited what you're claiming? Is that not what you are asserting in post #16225, because it's certainly how it reads.
As far as Dion and basketball, I've seen a ton of things I like this preseason and a few I haven't. Can say the same about pretty much every player on the team. Dion can be gold for this team and the only thing that will bear that out or not is at least 30-40 games of real NBA basketball and some adversity for the team as a whole.
Completely agree. I just think it would be best for the team AND even Dion if he came off the bench. I don't know why people get so defensive when this is suggested. We have enough dominant scorers in the starting lineup. We need an off ball spot up shooter like Miller (or Allen if he comes, perhaps even Joe Harris if he impresses enough but probably not likely) to complement Kyrie and Lebron better. And then Dion would serve as the scoring punch off the bench and lead the second unit. People get this idea that if you want Dion coming off the bench, you hate him and think he sucks, which is utterly moronic.I'm concerned with how Mr. Ball Hard fits in the starting lineup. Have been from the beginning though. Its stupid to have him out there in the starting unit where his main role is to be a spot up shooter/off the ball player. That isn't Dion. That's Mike Miller.
Dion is best suited as a 6th man on this team. He can control the ball and make plays for himself and others. This isnt a knock on Dion. Its just his game. His game isnt needed on the floor when you already have 3 elite scorers out there with him. But with a 2nd unit that needs a creator... he's perfect.