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The ball is firmly in LeBron's court now.

Blatt has, essentially, called LeBron out to try and work together with Blatt. Blatt doing this is going after one thing LeBron cares most about, and that's his image.

Interesting to see how he responds. Does he continue his passive tones or does he turn it up and give Blatt a shot to actually run the team?
Definitely a ballsy move. I would hope LeBron respects that.

LeBron says he wants to be coached...time to prove it.
 
It's not a personal issue with Blatt or the system...Blatt just isn't his guy.

Within 2 weeks of Lebron signing with Cleveland, Mark Jackson signed with Rich Paul's Klutch Sports. Connect the dots...

Wow, how did I not know that until just now? Well I hate to say that the writing is on the wall, but...

Thanks for shedding some pretty telling light on the entire situation @Maximus.
 
So what are guys like Kyrie etc problem why aren't they playing up to their potential? Are they on Lebron side of things and views. I mean Lebron is the only leader of the team Kyrie and Love don't have a voice ?
why is that so hard to believe? kyrie and love are career-losers. lebron is a well established, veteran winner with a laundry list of impressive accomplishments. it's totally logical for them to look to him for guidance and follow his lead even if they aren't completely on the same page. how often do you see someone try to defy the most accomplished person in the room? that they have failed to lead teams anywhere in their careers shouldn't be ignored. it's part of the loser mentality that concerned people.
 
why is that so hard to believe? kyrie and love are career-losers. lebron is a well established, veteran winner with a laundry list of impressive accomplishments. it's totally logical for them to look to him for guidance and follow his lead even if they aren't completely on the same page. how often do you see someone try to defy the most accomplished person in the room?

Good point. So is Lebron doing that with Blatt? Since, in the grand umbrella of the sport of basketball, you could technically say Blatt is the most accomplished person in the Cav's locker room?
 
Since, in the grand umbrella of the sport of basketball, you could technically say Blatt is the most accomplished person in the Cav's locker room?

NBA players don't care about what you've done outside the NBA, because they are trying to win an NBA title.

Lebron is the one with NBA rings, so he will continue to be the leader for better or worse.
 
In addition to more recent conversation in the mod room about this, crabbyshark addressed his concerns about this specific possibility in the Blatt thread in early August. So the subject of whether LBJ would buy-in to Blatt and also whether he would support Jackson getting hired has been an RCF topic (maybe not always active) for more than 6 months now.

The Golden State beat reporter (Kawakami) tweeted something alluding to this around the same time as well (when Jackson changed his representation).

The Cavaliers odds looked like they'd LONG evaporated 3 months prior.


It was an Ohio St situation

When Braxton got hurt, if I could tell you they would be the national champion with a 3rd string QB...

You would have said, got some good drugs huh Frank?"

LeBron's return, we couldn't have EVER anticipated that the Heat would suffer the worst finals loss in NBA history, that we'd win the #1 pick in consecutive years; "in the deepest draft in a while."

It was at that moment LeBron knew Cleveland could realistically get Love, he knew Gilbert would do anything for Rich Paul, because he endeared himself to Dan in the franchises' darkest hour. What a good guy, or an opportunist.

My most deepest analysis about this Cavaliers story (2003-14) is the moment we selected David Blatt, it was the first time we did something with LBJ completely gone out of our mental window forever.

We should have seen the context of June, worst beat down in finals history, just got the #1 overall pick. It was in that small window of time that the Cavs FINALLY said

"fuck LeBron, we're going to do what's best for our franchise."

That's when the pretty girl took notice and said "how dare you not acknowledge me?" "Hello! I'm still here!" "Go get me Kevin Love; then maybe I'll look at you again, Dan."

James wouldn't even look at Gilbert in the CBA meetings. Won't even look at Blatt hardly now.

When Cleveland had the assets; LeBron decided to jump ship. Why not? He'd seen how Miami did it; and Cleveland would do whatever he and Rich Paul desire. LeBron is going to get tricked in the end.

LeBron doesn't realize part of what won him championships was Miami standing up to this dude's passive aggressive shit! He's a man raised by bitches.

Stars wielding incredible power in an organization is not new. And while he hasn't done it in Cleveland, LeBron has won 2 titles. And taken teams to 5 finals appearances. So the man is not an ordinary player with ordinary expectations and ego.

Thinking about it, knowing that people don't change too much from who they are, my main issue becomes not that LeBron is like this, but that he is so passive aggressive and "sneaky" about it. If he thinks his way is the best way or just wants to be surrounded by players and coaches he picks, fine. Just freaking say so. Point blank. Pull no punches. Ask for what you want and get it. None of this passive aggressive shit.

And what Max says about Blatt is true. The Warriors and Spurs would jump at the chance to bring them into their organization. How can we judge a head coach who is not only dealing with injury problems, a roster new to each other, and on top of that is being undermined from day 1 by the guy who every other player on the team looks up to and takes his cues from?

Another fine post MirO. Completely. I think LeBron is offended that we put him in the rearview forever, we didn't think he was a legit possibility and we moved on with our lives.

I wonder how much credit Kobe deserves for last night. Lebron had 2 pts in the first quarter, bricked 4 free throws to start the 2nd. Kobe made a couple friendly cracks about him getting old from the bench, Lebron engaged. Sometimes that's all it takes for Lebron to make it Lebron v Kobe, instead of Lebron v Blatt.

Another great example why LeBron will never sniff MJ or Kobe's level of mental game. If their soul was born into LeBron's body >Chamberlain.

I think it's a tough argument to make, as good as LeBron has been; we've all seen his soft/bitchy/moody/quitter vibes. Everyone gets frustrated, sometimes frustrated as fuck, but your character is defined by how you respond when things aren't going your way.

LeBron's ideal style is to steamroll people then board the good times, MJ and Kobe fucking bury people, and there's a difference. They will get a hammer and make sure they put the nail into the coffin and start shoveling the dirt.

LeBron has only shown me a hand full of times that he can be a straight assassin, it's usually when Chris Boshs' girlfriend is heckling him, or his headband falls off or some other stupid shit.

Dude's a bitch. A really fucking athletic, talented bitch, but a bitch nonetheless.

Don't put Blatt on the grill, he might not be your guy, but he doesn't deserve it." Simply go with Rich Paul to Dan Gilbert directly, and let Gilbert manage the PR backlash; Gilbert would let Blatt go like a gentlemen.

LeBron will let this hang out to dry, because he's still a punk at heart. From my estimation of history LeBron is this generations Chamberlain figure, and Kobe represents the spirit of Russell and other homicidal competitors and ultimately winners.
 
Based upon what Maximus said, I am now back to being 100% in Blatt's corner.

As I've said elsewhere on RCF about this subject, there is only 1 guy I will not accept as Blatt's replacement, and that is Mark Jackson. So if it's Blatt or Mark Jackson, then I'm all in on Blatt.

Windy said on his radio show this morning that LeBron would like to have his own Doc Rivers as a coach. A guy who played in the league, someone LeBron grew up watching.

Mark Jackson isn't Doc Rivers. He's not even close. Rivers hires good assistants and Rivers knows his own limits. He is a positive force for organizations he coaches. At least that is how I view him.

Jackson has only coached in one spot. He doesn't have Rivers' experience as an NBA coach. The Warriors are doing better without Jackson. Curry is doing better without Jackson. Jackson supposedly wanted Jerry West out of practices and supposedly alienated the entire Warriors employee base.

We don't need someone who will make the Cavs organization even more dysfunctional than it is. We need real leadership.

It's a shame that things have gone this way. I probably would not have hired Blatt for this group of players. But when Blatt was hired no one knew this team would be what it was.

If Gilbert is standing up to LeBron on this issue and standing up to a coup attempt, then I applaud him. Not because I want LeBron to feel bad, but because I don't want anything to do with Mark Jackson.

Yes we overpaid on Mozgov and we probably overreached on some other moves. That may have been done to help Blatt immediately and stifle a coup. But if this turns out like things did in Miami where Spoelstra was kept and another coup try was put down, then I'll take the hit in the short term so that things will be better later.

This drama is stupid. Maybe we should hire Kobe as a consultant so he can taunt LeBron every game and LeBron can focus on Kobe rather than Blatt?

The Bullshit Whisperer said earlier in the season that it was Mark Jackson who anonymously was taking shots at Blatt in some article online. That would seem to fit with all of this and would also go along with what was said about the Warriors beat reporter talking about a potential coming coup.

LeBron isn't going anywhere now. We all know that. Gilbert has the leverage. It's time to stand up to LeBron like Riley did, for the better of the organization. But Blatt also needs to step up his game. Maybe Gilbert should hire Blatt some assistants Blatt could better work with? Blatt might need some guys he can trust rather than potential coup plotters on his staff. And Blatt needs to do better, as with how he is using Love.

Go Cavs. Beat the Clippers tonight.
 
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I have no inside information on this, but if I had to place a large wager on which player most of the bad-talk about Blatt is coming from...I would probably bet a lot of money that it's Shawn Marion. Which is unfortunate if true, because he started the year off really positively, I felt like.

Definitely going to be watching Marion hardcore now that you mentioned it. I don't think he ever wanted to be in Cleveland to begin with. He's been on winners in warm weather cities (Phoenix and Dallas) his whole career. He came here to win and it's not happening. Add that to him playing 20 minutes a night and then playing 0 minutes in consecutive games twice this season, and I can see him being disgruntled.
 
If you aren't familiar with how Mark Jackson plays divide and conquer games, go and read about what happened with him in Utah as a player or as the coach in Golden State. He is the type of guy who will drive a coup forward rather than try to calm a situation down. That is my understanding of him.

This is why I don't want him around. Not only is he not a good coach, he is a guy who will fragment a team or turn a group of players against their organization. We don't need more of that. We need less.

I'm surprised McMenamin may have joined in on the "win in spite of Blatt" chorus. Up until this time I've thought McMenamin has been pretty down the middle with his coverage. I recall reading some of his stuff when he covered the Lakers and I got the impression that there was a portion of it that felt like it was coming from Kobe and Kobe's agent rather than from the team itself, or team sources. Hopefully that won't be the case here with LeBron and LeBron's team.

If we want to know what LeBron is thinking from an ESPN writer, then all we have to do is listen to Windy. I was kind of hoping McMenamin would be different than being Windy lite.
 
Saw this post on RealGM:

Cleveland at ~118 ORTG in the last two games. Tonight with Lebron on the floor, they were a +22.1, and -41.0 with him off. For the season they are now +5.9 with him on the floor, and -10.0 with him off the floor, +15.9 net On/Off.


I think LeBron clearly doesn't like Blatt, and clearly wasn't physically right to start the year, but it is very difficult to believe that a guy with a + 16 net On/Off is the entire problem with the team. I just don't understand that Blatt gets all the benefit of the doubt, having ZERO track record in the NBA, and guys like LeBron and Love are entirely to blame.
 
Frank... lebron is the only reason we'd be looking at going to the finals this year or next.

I don't care about the internal power plays going on.. We all knew that was going to happen. I just want a winning Cavs team.
 
Saw this post on RealGM:

Cleveland at ~118 ORTG in the last two games. Tonight with Lebron on the floor, they were a +22.1, and -41.0 with him off. For the season they are now +5.9 with him on the floor, and -10.0 with him off the floor, +15.9 net On/Off.


I think LeBron clearly doesn't like Blatt, and clearly wasn't physically right to start the year, but it is very difficult to believe that a guy with a + 16 net On/Off is the entire problem with the team. I just don't understand that Blatt gets all the benefit of the doubt, having ZERO track record in the NBA, and guys like LeBron and Love are entirely to blame.

Lebron not buying in has almost surely hurt this team, but that's not the biggest problem. Sure, we could become a scrappy team that plays with great energy and Lebron goes LeGod mode in the playoffs and we have a chance but is that what we envisioned?

I don't think this is a Blatt or LeBron thing, but rather "our parts do not fit thing." Sure, that doesn't mean players shouldn't try but it's hard not to notice the lack of athleticism and length on this team that may be ameliorated by effort against bad teams but can not be ameliorated for when facing elite teams who will try just as hard. James isn't a defensive force anymore at 30 with 41K miles on his wheels but can be in spurts. That leaves us Love and Kyrie who cannot stop anyone, Mosgov who is a positive, but he's not a Duncan/Howard/Sanders/Gobert type who shuts down offense at the rim. Then we have the last sport occupied by JR Smith or Miller or Dion, none of whom can shut people down although Dion was improving at trade time.

If we accept that James is sabotaging, getting others to sabatoge, not running the glorious Blatt sets (didn't see much of them when we were greeting destroyed with James out), then how in the hell did we have the fourth best offense for a while?
The bottom line is that this team as constructed should be better but is not an elite team outside of James. How many of you felt comfortable Ky and Love would rise up and lead us to wins? Combine that with a lack of bench and role player length and athleticism, EVERY game looks losable for us and EVERY game looks winnable for the opposition. That's frightening.

Let's say James buys in completely and runs every set to perfection and everyone tries his best. Are we an elite team? I think with everything falling into place including James and Love and Irving playing above their regular season offensive stats, Mosgov and Shump helping, Lebron playing playoff defense, there's a chance we can still compete. To me, though, it seems unlikely right now. Too many holes, too many good teams out there with better athletes. I'm still full of hope, but also realistic. So, to me, this isn't a Blatt/Bron thing although it hasn't helped, but there are deeper issues. To be quite honest, without James, we'd have maybe like 5-6 wins. Think about that. How could complete buy in help with that? Yes, maybe with complete buyin we're better but certainly not contenders for anything without James.
 
The whole LeBron undermining the coach thing to bring in Jackson seems like a poor strategy, because it's not like Jackson could be brought in right now in the middle of the season, can he? At the very least there would be an interim coach for the rest of the season, which essentially accomplishes nothing.
 
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The whole LeBron undermining the coach thing to bring in Jackson seems like a poor strategy, because it's not like Jackson could be brought in right now in the middle of the season, can he? At the very least there would be an interim coach for the rest of the season, which essentially accomplishes nothing.
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