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Well straight cutting him would sure send a message...but nope, let's hold onto him in the case he figures it out. He's got to realize what he's going to lose if he doesn't get his act together. So far, he's been able to come back to everything after being repeatedly disciplined. 10 games was his max punishment. No longer being employed by the NFL would be a good start. This is more than likely going to be a case of Josh Gordon never succeeding in Cleveland.
 
He's reached the end of the road here, but why cut him? If he can stay clean for a year, he'll have some decent trade value for conditional future picks. If he can't, you're not out a damn thing.
 
Moron. Complete and utter moron. That article accomplishes nothing but more finger pointing at everyone else.
If I have a “problem,” it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn.
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I mean Jesus, man. Come on!!! You will have been suspended for 29 GAMES if found guilty (which you will be!).

Own up to your fucking mistakes and stop blaming your age, culture, upbringing. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB.
 
Just heard his letter being read over the radio. Clearly a bright, articulate guy.

The upshot is that while he takes responsibility for his judgment errors, he is pretty angry about media commentators calling him an addict and saying he's going to die. His point is hard to refute -- all these people are talking about him in a very personal sense as if they know him, when the truth is that he's never had a single conversation with most of them.

I'm not sure it changes what I think the Browns should do with him -- which is to not cut him but try to work out a trade for conditional picks next year -- it does make me thing differently of him as a person. The letter was pretty convincing to me, I don't believe he's an addict, and I believe he's a good guy whose just made some bad decisions and had the bad luck to get caught.
 
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Moron. Complete and utter moron. That article accomplishes nothing but more finger pointing at everyone else. Own up to your fucking mistakes and stop blaming your age, culture, upbringing. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB.
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He did take responsibility for his mistakes. What do you call this:

First, words cannot express the remorse and regret I feel over this latest incident. I acknowledge that the repeated transgressions that have led up to this point have damaged my credibility, and for that, the only person to blame is me.

I have let down many in Cleveland — my Browns teammates, our hard-working coaching staff, the team’s ownership, and the loyal fan base that wants nothing more than to win. Playing there is different than in many other cities. We feel the fans’ pain. We know how important this is to them.

Also, I have disappointed the family and close friends who have always stood by me — no matter how tough things have been at certain points in my life. Believe me, there have been more dark days than I care to remember.
Most importantly, I have failed myself. Again.

I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager. I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III’s running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn’t check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines. I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.

The point of his letter wasn't to blame other people. His point was to counter the melodramatic overreaction by pundits in the media who have essentially declared him dead -- metaphorically if not literally.
 
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The letter was pretty convincing to me, I don't believe he's an addict, and I believe he's a good guy whose just made some bad decisions and had the bad luck to get caught.
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Dude, come on. That thing is LITTERED with excuses. He cites his upbringing then says "well... that's not an excuse." He says he didn't know the rules of when the drinking ban was lifted... But... I guess I can't use that as an excuse.

Then why even bring it up? I don't care about his assessment of the media, whether he's a good guy, etc. The guy doesn't care enough about his job to take it seriously. That's it. End of story.
 
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He did take responsibility for his mistakes. What do you call this:

First, words cannot express the remorse and regret I feel over this latest incident. I acknowledge that the repeated transgressions that have led up to this point have damaged my credibility, and for that, the only person to blame is me.

I have let down many in Cleveland — my Browns teammates, our hard-working coaching staff, the team’s ownership, and the loyal fan base that wants nothing more than to win. Playing there is different than in many other cities. We feel the fans’ pain. We know how important this is to them.

Also, I have disappointed the family and close friends who have always stood by me — no matter how tough things have been at certain points in my life. Believe me, there have been more dark days than I care to remember.
Most importantly, I have failed myself. Again.

I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager. I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III’s running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn’t check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines. I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.

The point of his letter wasn't to blame other people. His point was to counter the melodramatic overreaction by pundits in the media who have essentially declared him dead -- metaphorically if not literally.
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Excuse #1:
I don’t speak of it often, and even less so publicly, but I faced a fair amount of hardship growing up.
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Excuse #2:
Back then, smoking marijuana wasn’t an addiction for any of us — we were still boys, basically. It was just whateveryone did. It was everywhere, just like alcohol was.
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Excuse #3 :chuckle::
These games were tacked on to my eight-game suspension that had been levied on account of my inadvertently inhaling second-hand marijuana smoke last offseason.
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Hidden excuse #4:
It doesn’t matter if I thought that the league-imposed restriction on drinking had expired at the end of the regular season
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Excuse #5:
If I have a “problem,” it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn.
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Point is, you can't discount these statements as excuses just because he prefaced it all with "it's not an excuse." We aren't that stupid.

I could murder an innocent bystander tonight, tell the cops I thought he had a gun, and then say "but that's not an excuse" and expect it to be ok. Just doesn't work that way.

Take. Accountability.
 
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I still want to know how you inadvertently inhale enough secondhand smoke to fail a drug test.

And going to Vegas when you know you can't do drugs is genius.
 
Cluegiver said:
I still want to know how you inadvertently inhale enough secondhand smoke to fail a drug test.
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Given how rigid the limit was in the NFL (did they raise it earlier this year?), I would think that it was at least possible. That's not to say I don't think Gordon is full of shit (I do), just that in this instance it is probably at least a possibility.
 
The problem I have is Gordon puts himself in all these situations. He still can't figure out right from wrong and gets caught doing the wrong thing. He makes it seem like he's done wrong only a few times and every time he's gotten caught. There always is a technicality. There always is some reason why he's really just a victim of circumstance and should be given special treatment. Sorry Josh, that's not believable. You choose your actions. You keep doing this to yourself.

He doesn't want to admit he has a problem but he does.
 
Not sure how the NFL can legally suspend someone for consuming a substance that is both legal and a sponsor of the institution itself...pretty fucked up if you ask me.

They had better not show one more beer commercial, show one more shot of teams popping champagne, or serve alcohol at games.

What if Gordon had come out and said "I was drinking Coors Light, the official beer of the NFL"? Maybe then they would be okay with it.

Why are they hell-bent on making it so hard for players to play anyways? (weed-danger debate aside) Gordon could become one of the brightest stars in the league, people would tune in to watch him play. More money for the NFL.

Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me I guess.

EDIT: And for everyone who wants him to "take accountability", what will that solve? Being accountable won't help. He just needs to jump through the hoops.

Hating yourself is terrible. I've been there. Through life, the only constant is YOU. And if you constantly go around thinking "I fucked up. I'm a fuck up. I let everyone down", it makes life unbearable.

Talking about how far he has come from his upbringing is a method of coping. You all want him to totally condemn himself to us all, admit he's a druggie-alcoholic (which i don't think is true) when you don't realize that he still has to live the rest of his life with himself.

He needs to stay positive, otherwise he very well might die.
 
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