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Game 63 | Cavs (38-24) @ Raptors (38-22) | March 4, 2015 | 7:30pm EST

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tocov said:
I disagree with you.
You seem to think that only one thing is exclusive to success. Either it's because they moved or because TT is a presence.
It's a combination of a lot of factors. And I believe TT being in there and threatning the offensive boards made defenders think twice before helping off him to cover a shooter. They didn't, and shooters were left open.
Plays and lineups are designed for several things to work simultaniously and for multiple options to exist.

The lienup played well on both sides, getting rained on by more than a couple of lucky 3s by the Raptors. They kept the lead and won the game.
There were a million other ways to win that game obviously, but this one worked and when something works you don't fuck with it, just so you can follow some unwritten rule that the starters must play the most minutes or finish the game or other shit like that.
Blatt played what he felt was right, I can understand the reasoning although maybe I would've did some things differently, and it won us the game. That's all that matters. His lineup and tactics worked. "Almost" doesn't count when the outcome is binary.
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Oh, do you like giving up 38 points in the 4th quarter? That lineup was terrible on D. Bleeding points all over the court. I understand wanting TT out there for his versatility, but once JV was back in the game, we needed size to match up with him. You can defend Blatt all you want, but it wasn't the right lineup.
 
KilgoreTrout said:
Mozzy is nice, but not as nice as Drummond or Jonas.

Sure wish we had one of those guys.
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Losing Moz for Jonas would really hurt our defense and rim protection. Jonas is a nice player, but not for this team as constructed.
 
SteelSmack said:
Oh, do you like giving up 38 points in the 4th quarter? That lineup was terrible on D. Bleeding points all over the court. I understand wanting TT out there for his versatility, but once JV was back in the game, we needed size to match up with him. You can defend Blatt all you want, but it wasn't the right lineup.
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There is no one "right" lineup.
The right lineup is the one that wins the game. There are endless lineups that could be right.

They hit a bunch of crazy shots in the 4th that we couldn't do anything about and JV played a good game. Moz didn't stop him either. Blatt sacrificed that aspect to gain other advantages. You can't win all the battles, you choose the ones that will win you the game.

Again, I would probably play things differently. But there is no one right thing to do. If it works, and we get the W, then it was the right thing probably. One of them.
 
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KilgoreTrout said:
I still feel pain whenever one of those guys dominates against us.
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Jonas had a few blocks and was nice on offense but he hardly dominated us. He is not a complete full game player yet, especially on defense where he is often out of position and having miscommunications with his teammates.

I would love to have him but I get over things quickly. Hanging on to "what could have been" from 3 and 4 years ago is just pointless. For all we know, had we drafted either of those guys, they could have traded away in any of the past few seasons by an eager to make a splash on the trade market Dan Gilbert.

Just seems like we have discussed those two so so much already and we're now 3 and 4 years out from their respective drafts.
 
Some people are never happy here...bitch when we lose bitch when we win bitch when love gets 20 plus bitch on everything we watch to see our cavs win thats all that fukin matters just shut your mouth and enjoy it good night
 
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SteelSmack said:
Oh, do you like giving up 38 points in the 4th quarter? That lineup was terrible on D. Bleeding points all over the court. I understand wanting TT out there for his versatility, but once JV was back in the game, we needed size to match up with him. You can defend Blatt all you want, but it wasn't the right lineup.
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-16 of Toronto's points were scored in the first 4 minutes of the 4th qtr.

-TT didn't enter the game until 5:50 remaining.

-Many of there points were as a result of crazy makes by Lou Will and poor perimeter defense, not bad interior play.

-In the final 5:50 of the game that we had one set lineup(Kyrie, LeBron, JJ, JR, Tristan), we outscored Toronto 23-16

-Pace also plays a huge role in points scored. The pace of the 4th qtr was torrid. For the entire qtr, which had several variations of our lineup, Toronto only outscored us by 2 points.
 
Louis Williams just got another 3 FTs...

Guy has gotten that 3 or 4 times on us this year--it's goddamn infuriating.
 
MirORich said:
-16 of Toronto's points were scored in the first 4 minutes of the 4th qtr.

-TT didn't enter the game until 5:50 remaining.

-Many of there points were as a result of crazy makes by Lou Will and poor perimeter defense, not bad interior play.

-In the final 5:50 of the game that we had one set lineup(Kyrie, LeBron, JJ, JR, Tristan), we outscored Toronto 23-16

-Pace also plays a huge role in points scored. The pace of the 4th qtr was torrid. For the entire qtr, which had several variations of our lineup, Toronto only outscored us by 2 points.
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It's like people don't even watch the game I swear to god.
 
MirORich said:
-In the final 5:50 of the game that we had one set lineup(Kyrie, LeBron, JJ, JR, Tristan), we outscored Toronto 23-16
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This totally makes my point. LeBron hit 2 crazy 3s. Without those bad shots falling, that game is easily a loss. Because we ran a stupid lineup. I get it, defend Blatt's stupid lineups at all costs as long as the game turns out OK, but all it takes is a stupid decision like this in a key playoff game and we're screwed.
 
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tocov said:
It's like people don't even watch the game I swear to god.
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Some of us watch them without being blatantly biased. Those of us that do can form rational opinions about his lineups.
 
SteelSmack said:
This totally makes my point. LeBron hit 2 crazy 3s. Without those bad shots falling, that game is easily a loss. Because we ran a stupid lineup. I get it, defend Blatt's stupid lineups at all costs as long as the game turns out OK, but all it takes is a stupid decision like this in a key playoff game and we're screwed.
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The same could be said about their crazy 3s.
We can't play a guess game. If the 3s wouldn't fall, maybe Blatt would try something different. But we wouldn't know, because they did.
 
SteelSmack said:
This totally makes my point. LeBron hit 2 crazy 3s. Without those bad shots falling, that game is easily a loss. Because we ran a stupid lineup. I get it, defend Blatt's stupid lineups at all costs as long as the game turns out OK, but all it takes is a stupid decision like this in a key playoff game and we're screwed.
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My point is not to say that you are absolutely right or wrong or that Tocov is 100% right or wrong. It's just that you're being super heavyhanded that you have the right point when there are several factors(I tried to include several in my post) that seem to tilt things more towards the middle. i.e. was it the only lineup that would of worked? no. was it a boneheaded mistake by blatt? hardly

Furthermore, you assert that LeBron made two crazy threes and without that we'd have been screwed.

1. I didn't think they were that crazy. That was LeBron he makes shots like that regularly. Both of those were within a range he normally shoots in and with his footwork good and shoulders squared.

2. Take those 6 points away and we still have more points then the Raptors

3. How do use those 2 three pointers by LeBron to make your point while completely ignoring several crazy 3 pointers by Lou Williams that don't exactly support your point?
 
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