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As far as strict free agency goes, you are right.

As far as circumstances go, not the case at all. It's like I said before, this isn't 2010 Lebron who had felt he hit his ceiling with that Cavs roster and wanted to vault to the next stratosphere. Like I said before, at this point, Kevin Love leaving the Cavs would be like Bosh leaving the Heat after 2011 and going back to the Raptors.

Why?

Kevin could arguably go to the Lakers and build a team around his talents. He's only 26 years old, and they have trade assets.

Arguably he could go to any number of teams, quite honestly, via trade (again, not sure about the CBA on this) - just as he got here.

I don't think Kevin Love is trapped in Cleveland, as some RCF'ers seem to want to suggest.

No, he can't. The only way he gets his full max is by signing with the Cavs, or getting a sign and trade, which is impossible due to our luxury tax standing.

Ah "full max," so we're saying he won't leave because he won't leave money on the table? Is that right?

I doubt this is true.

What are Kevin Love's chances of signing an endorsement deal in Cleveland playing behind LeBron and Kyrie? Chris Bosh was very vocal about his inability to get endorsements since leaving Toronto.

In Toronto he was the face of an entire franchise; but in Miami he was quoted as saying that "I can't even get Cheerios to call me back." "No one wanted him." And that was largely because he was "a big man" and he was "playing behind" two flashy wing players.

So simply put, I do not agree that Kevin Love gets the most money in his situation here in Cleveland, not until LeBron James moves on from being the face of the franchise. And I don't think anyone sees Kevin Love as filling those shoes, but instead, Kyrie Irving.

I explained more in the post I just made.

Otherwise, we're on the same wavelength.

Let's hope the Cavs are too.... we need to retain Kevin Love..
 
Yeah, nobody is ever gonna convince me that the Kevin Love and Dwight Howard situations are in any way similar other than their contract status with new teams.

The 2012 Lakers were an even worse version of November Cavs, only on top of all the losing, add in the fact that the other stars on the team were on the wrong side of 30, and imagine if Lebron just DESPISED Kevin Love and was constantly yelling at him in game, in practice, and so on. That was Dwight's life.


Lakers only won one more game in all of 2012-2013 than we have so far this season btw.

Also Dwight only averaged 17.1 despite being the second option , only .3 more than Kevin Love is averaging now as the Cav's third option.
 
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The Lakers sucked, Dwight was hated by everyone in Laker land, they were never going to win anything.

The Cavs are legitimate title contenders for at least 4-5 years, Love seems to be liked by his teammates, and the fans who actually understand basketball.

The situations are not even remotely comparable, save the contract status.
 
What about those of us that didn't support trading for him given his contract situation? Are we still allowed to whine?

All whining is futile; however your whining is morally superior to the whining of others.
 
... But somewhere, in your narrative, he looks back on that 26/13 season where they DIDN'T make the playoffs and says "oh man, I need to back to doing that. Forget this whole winning thing, it's all about my individual stats." Look, we all know full well he hasn't been utilized properly yet. The team continues to adapt, but they're still trying to figure out how to use Love properly so I don't blame him if he's a little ticked off they haven't figured it out by now. But the only way he returns to this 26/13 player is by going back to a bad team with a losing culture. With everything the guy went through in Minnesota, I highly doubt he's really thinking that's a better option to him than playing with LeBron James & Kyrie Irving in Cleveland.

I agree w/this logically. Yes, he isn't being utilized fully and can be used better, but it's his first year with two other guys who have bigtime games. He's sacrificed and despite the issues w/camping him outside the arc he's been a valuable player. He's with an org who can help mold him into a key contributor on a championship team. My rhetorical question is, if that's the way he's thinking why let all this press stuff fester? Why aren't Blatt and he aligned on their message? This could go away easily. It makes me think there's something different in his head.

As I roll my eyes at this, it makes me all the more impressed at Kyrie's maturity re: how he has accepted the challenge, adjusted, and grown greatly this year w/out all the drama. Love can and should do the same.
 
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Windy on RBS today claiming EVERYONE in the NBA outside of the Cavs, and he means EVERYONE thinks Love will walk. Interesting.

Windy has gotten to be such a troll. Broussard, too. Wait - Broussard always WAS one.
 
I never said the Dwight Howard situation was similar. As a matter of fact, in my post I said the situation was different and was just an example of a recent player going against conventional thought, so I'm not quite sure why everybody jumped on that.. What I said was that people didn't believe Dwight would turn down more money and leave what was thought to be a good situation, on a historic franchise none the less. Just a player doing what many thought he wouldn't, and that's leave in free agency. The situations aren't the same.

Love has publicly stated he isn't what Blatt is using him as, a stretch four. People can spin the situation however they want it, but it's a concern when there is a disconnect between a coach and a player, especially when it concerns their role on the team.

I'm not saying he's going to leave, I'm saying it's silly to dismiss the idea that he could just because the Cavs are winning and can offer him the most. Love is a hard guy to read. If he isn't happy with his role and he gets tired of the constant, unfair criticisms of him, then he is going to explore his options.. The Spurs have potential to have max space, depending on how the Eric Gordon option plays out the Pelicans could have max cap space, and the Pacers could get to that amount depending on the options of Hibbert & West.

I don't believe he leaves to free agency. I think it's more likely he opts in, see if things change for him next year, and if they don't he'll explore his options in free agency with a bloated cap and almost every team then having the necessary space to sign him. But, I still won't dismiss the chance of him deciding another year isn't worth it if the situation is actually frustrating him, and if so it continues to.
 
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By the way, I may be alone but if Love leaves I won't be devastated. If you're dumbass enough to leave a max deal on a title contender then good riddance. I will however be annoyed that the Cavs wasted a huge asset on him (on a trade I opposed in the first place). That said, I don't think he will leave.
 
When you consider what Love himself has said about his contract situation, what he's said about winning, what he's said about his teammates, the Cleveland fans, etc and consider that the only talk of him leaving is coming from mindless speculation of the media....

I like our chances to retain him.
 
Kevin could arguably go to the Lakers and build a team around his talents. He's only 26 years old, and they have trade assets.

Arguably he could go to any number of teams, quite honestly, via trade (again, not sure about the CBA on this) - just as he got here.

I don't think Kevin Love is trapped in Cleveland, as some RCF'ers seem to want to suggest.
Agree. I don't think he's "trapped" here at all. He clearly has options that he can choose to examine and exercise.

I just think after the emotions of the season play out and he has a chance to sit down with the organization, with his family, and with himself, he will decide that long term, this is the best place for him to combine competing for championships, becoming a stronger mental player, and maximizing his on the court earnings. That is total opinion of course. But all we can do is shape our opinions via the information and context we have available to us and stand by them.

So again, I think this season has been tougher for Kevin than he anticipated, but I think his mindset is one that will analyze and embrace the challenge and possibilities of playing long term next to LeBron and Kyrie.
 
If Kevin leaves he likely never wins a championship. That's just how it is. There's only 30 teams and 1 team wins each year. Add that to the fact that there's no realistic option he could sign with in the offseason that's even close to contending - the Lakers? Ha!

So him leaving or staying will tell me a lot about his character and what he values. You want to leave so you can be "the man" on another team and put up 26/12 a game? Well keep in mind that the only legacy you'll leave is a guy who put up good numbers but was always a career loser. Decades after you'll retire, basketball fans will hardly remember you.

Or do you want to be on a team with a legitimate shot to win not only a title this year, but MULTIPLE titles over the next few years while learning from a player who could go down as the greatest basketball player ever? Hell! If you do so, and Lebron starts to age, YOU, Kevin, would be able to use that championship experience and along with Kyrie Irving try to continue to bring Cleveland titles. Whatever happens, Cleveland fans would love you forever and your name would go down in the history books!

So make your choice Kevin. But keep in mind what you're signing up for when you sign that next contract...
 
I never said the Dwight Howard situation was similar. As a matter of fact, in my post I said the situation was different and was just an example of a recent player going against conventional thought, so I'm not quite sure why everybody jumped on that.. What I said was that people didn't believe Dwight would turn down more money and leave what was thought to be a good situation, on a historic franchise none the less. Just a player doing what many thought he wouldn't, and that leave in free agency. The situations aren't the same.

Love has publicly stated he isn't what Blatt is using him as, a stretch four. People can spin the situation however they want it, but it's a concern when there is a disconnect between a coach and a player, especially when it concerns their role on the team.

I'm not saying he's going to leave, I'm saying it's silly to dismiss the idea that he could just because the Cavs are winning and can offer him the most. Love is a hard guy to read. If he isn't happy with his role and he gets tired of the constant, unfair criticisms of him, then he is going to explore his options.. The Spurs have potential to have max space, depending on how the Eric Gordon option plays out the Pelicans could have max cap space, and the Pacers could get to that amount depending on the options of Hibbert & West.

I don't believe he leaves to free agency. I think it's more likely he opts in, see if things change for him next year, and if they don't he'll explore his options in free agency with a bloated cap and almost every team then having the necessary space to sign him. But, I still won't dismiss the chance of him deciding another year isn't worth it if the situation is actually frustrating him, and if so it continues to. L
Just want to say props for being level-headed, and don't let people misreading your posts get you down. This is the best post on this topic so far. Most people are looking at the situation through wine and gold colored glasses, but that's what this site does. None of us knows what it feels like to be a professional athlete, and it is the height of naïveté to think that past words filtered through PR reps or agents dictate future results.
 
Kevin Love and Cleveland Cavaliers Are Good Together but Might Be Better Apart
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Kevin Love has graciously accepted a diminished role with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but that isn't a reason for either side to get complacent. Love needs an opportunity to reach his full potential, and realistically, Cleveland can acquire a capable replacement at a discounted rate.

From a statistical standpoint, the Cavaliers have benefited as Love's segued into a spot as Cleveland's sometimes-secondary and mostly tertiary offensive option.

But as Love's undertaken a specialized gig that's asked him to hover around the three-point line, he has provided collateral scoring in such a specific way that he's now solely viewed as a stretch 4.

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As Chris Bosh told Bleacher Report's Ethan Skolnick back in October, moving from featured centerpiece to third wheel doesn't come without a great deal of frustration:

Yeah, it's a lot more difficult taking a step back, because you're used to doing something a certain way and getting looks a certain way. And then it's like, well, no, for the benefit of the team, you have to get it here. So even if you do like the left block, the volume of the left block is going to be different. Now you have to make those moves count.

Although Love's aiding Cleveland's cause on both ends, his transition into a more restricted niche hasn't been seamless.

"It's still a work in progress, but I think I've figured it out a little better," Love said, according to ESPN.com's Michael Wallace. "It's like [former Minnesota Timberwolves head coach Kevin] McHale used to tell me: Just go where they ain't. Just go out there and try to space the floor as best as I can."

In order to clear slashing and driving lanes for LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, Love can typically be found lingering along the three-point line in hopes of capitalizing on open drive-and-kick looks. To date, a career-high 40.5 percent of his shots have come from three. Additionally, his average shot distance is up to a career-long 14.7 feet

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Continually pushing out to try to space the floor, Love's field-goal percentage has dipped to a career-low (minimum 50 appearances) 43.0, with his three-point conversion rate dropping just a tad to 36.4 percent.

Those aren't bad numbers, by any means. In fact, Love is the only qualified player averaging at least 16 points and 10 rebounds while draining over 35 percent of his threes, according to Basketball-Reference.com.

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However, Love shouldn't be pigeon-holed merely as a standout shooter with size. In this symbiotic relationship, he's been relegated to that (successful) role. But he has so much more to offer and hasn't shied away from declaring as much.

"I heard some people calling me that, but I know I'm not a stretch 4," Love told Northeast Ohio Media Group's Chris Haynes. "I'm a post player who can shoot. Right now I'm just doing what I'm called to do. For good, bad or indifferent, I'm playing my role and doing what's asked of me."

As Wallace noted, Love's complied with head coach David Blatt's tactical preferences. But conformity isn't necessarily indicative of a prosperous long-term affair.

"It's been far from a comfortable process for Love, who would like a better balance of touches around the basket and looks from three-point range while creating space for Irving and LeBron James to operate," Wallace wrote. "Love has attempted 335 shots from three-point range, which are the second-most of his career."

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Love proved throughout his six-year tenure with the Minnesota Timberwolves that he has the talent to function as an offensive focal point. A three-time All-Star with a potent arsenal of inside and outside artillery, Love's at his best when he's able to bludgeon smaller opponents on the block while keeping defenders on their toes with his graceful three-point stroke.

According to Synergy Sports' play-type data provided to NBA.com, Love is racking up 0.99 points per possession on post-ups. That's better than conventional post-up mavens like Al Jefferson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins, Nikola Vucevic, Zach Randolph, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan.

In order to return to form, it may be in Love's best interest to cut ties with the Cavaliers. While their brief marriage has helped Cleveland build the NBA's best offense since the All-Star break, a divorce could allow both sides refreshing opportunities for reinvention.

Which brings us to Love's financial options.

In January, Love told Haynes the following: "I think that we will figure it out here, so I don't plan on opting out or any of that. I plan on being here. As far as leaving my options open, I mean sure, it's always there. At the end of the day, it's always good to have something but no, I plan on being here."

But as NBC Sports' Dan Feldman explained, "if Love truly plans to opt into the final year of his contract, he’s being foolish. Love has a $16,744,219 player option for next season. His max salary next season projects to be $19,027,800."

There are a few routes the 26-year-old can take—and each one comes with a set of pros and cons.

Behind door No. 1 is a new one-year deal with the Cavaliers that will afford Love another shot at a title while giving him the flexibility to become an unrestricted free agent once the cap spikes again in 2016. At that juncture, he can always bolt for a new locale and get compensated handsomely.

Behind door No. 2 is a long-term deal with the Cavaliers that would pay him roughly $109 million over five years, according to Wallace. Straightforward and lucrative, but not exactly flexible.

Door No. 3 offers the same framework as door No. 1, but with a little more uncertainty. If Love opts out, he could ink a one-year deal with another franchise as a trial run of sorts. Then, he would wield the option to sign a long-term deal once the cap explodes or explore other offers if things don't work out.

Then there's door No. 4—the most compelling of the bunch. If Love feels his skill set has been too marginalized in Blatt's offense, he can seek out a four-year deal with the team of his choice.

If he does wind up taking the latter route, it may wind up being what's best for both parties.

Love has so much more to offer than a lethal flick of the wrist, and his track record suggests he should be paid like a primary option. He shouldn't waste his prime years playing third fiddle to James and Irving, even if it means the Larry O'Brien Trophy won't annually be in his crosshairs.

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Sacrificing personal gains for rings would be entirely respectable and even a bit admirable, but these are Love's peak earning years, and he should capitalize while he can.

Love's departure wouldn't necessarily be a major blow to the Cavaliers, either. If James and Irving are the backbone of Cleveland's long-term plan, then Love is an expensive limb.

Shelling out max money for a stretch 4 isn't exactly appealing, and it's likely Cleveland could scour the market for a cost-effective replacement. With an extension due to Tristan Thompson (who's already one of the game's most ferocious rebounders) as well, the Cavaliers have plenty of financial considerations to comb through.

Love has made the best of a difficult situation, and the Cavaliers have to be thankful that the offense is clicking with his responsibilities waning.

But when the time comes for Love to make a decision about his future, the temptation to mold his legacy with a new franchise and a fresh supporting cast could be too tantalizing to ignore.



All statistics current as of March 17 and courtesy of Basketball-Reference.com and NBA.com unless noted otherwise. All salary information retrieved from BasketballInsiders.com.
 

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