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Man Called X said:

No, I get the idea behind what Marvel is trying to do. There's varying levels of super heros within the Marvel universe. Some heros have global/cosmic issues to deal with, some deal with the normies. Street level heros tend to have more grounded villians, so it makes sense to make the feel of their shows grittier. It's always been my issue with Spider-Man as a character. He's a street level hero that they expanded far too much on and eventually ruined the character. As far as I'm concerned, everything in the Marvel universe after The Secret Wars 1 has been nonsense.

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Well, I was referring more to how the movies tend to be crazy and cartoony (I enjoy them, but they're ridiculous), while this Daredevil show is dark and violent. It doesn't feel like it's the same world. I guess the comics function like that too, though, so whatever. I'd love to see Netflix do a Punisher show, by the way.

Jack Brickman said:

Well, I was referring more to how the movies tend to be crazy and cartoony (I enjoy them, but they're ridiculous), while this Daredevil show is dark and violent. It doesn't feel like it's the same world. I guess the comics function like that too, though, so whatever. I'd love to see Netflix do a Punisher show, by the way.

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Good chance of a Punisher show/movie at some point. Marvel has the rights back, and he was in hinted at being in Winter Soldier twice.

I just tend to think the MU movies have to cater to a larger audience. The cartoony crazy is what makes their money. But those street level heros tend to have the best storylines/feel in the comics and really fit the bill for an adult action based drama. Same goes for Agents of SHIELD/Agent Carter. The MU cartoons like Avengers Assemble/Ultimate Spider-Man/Hulk Agents of S.M.A.S.H are geared toward that audience. As a kid, I never appreciated the Punisher/Daredevil type characters. As I got older, they felt more organic and I drifted towards those darker type characters. I honestly see it as a smart business move to cater a different segment of the MU towards a particular demographic but allowing all those demographics to be targetted at once with the movies.

The Punisher seems like a perfect fit for a Netflix show, honestly. It can be as dark and violent as it wants without having to worry about an R rating impacting ticket sales in the theater. I'd love for them to base it on Marvel's MAX Punisher comics from about a decade ago. Those were great.

Jack Brickman said:

The Punisher seems like a perfect fit for a Netflix show, honestly. It can be as dark and violent as it wants without having to worry about an R rating impacting ticket sales in the theater. I'd love for them to base it on Marvel's MAX Punisher comics from about a decade ago. Those were great.

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Jessica Jones is also based on one of those Marvel Max Comics called "Alias." Jessica is a former costumed hero that was never particularly good at it. So, she opens up Alias Investigations where she specializes in "super powered" cases. She's a self destructive, potty mouthed, chain smoking alcoholic with an inferiority complex.

This story had been rumored for a TV series for a number of years before Netflix picked it up. I am so glad that regular television never gave it the go ahead. That sanitized version they would have made would never have gotten the right feel. It wouldn't have done it justice. Just like none of the movies have really done Punisher justice. Jack, I completely agree, Garth Ennis's Punisher Max would make a great Netflix series.

I'll be interested to see what type of pruning they do considering how many heroes from Marvel appear in the series. Luke Cage and Matt Murdock will clearly be in it, as they are both in the book and attached to Netflix in a series. But, which of the others is uncertain. Captain America, Carol Danvers, Jessica Drew, Mattie Franklin, Rick Jones, Jarvis, J Jonah Jameson, Ant-Man (Scottie Lang), Madame Web, Speedball, Peter Parker, Flash Thompson, Jean Grey, and Thor are some of the characters that appear in the book. There is also an appearance by the Avengers of some importance to the plot (not counting the flashbacks to her "hero days"). Most of the villains are D Leaguers, except the Purple Man and Scorpion. We already know that the Purple Man will appear as David Tenant is already attached to the role. Something I am definitely looking forward to seeing.

Anyways, some of those characters were important to the story plots, some were not. But, clearly not all of them can be included. There are just too many characters. I'll be interested to see which characters are dropped, or simply switched out for other characters. I am really looking forward to this series. I loved the Alias comic that it is being based on.

Jack Brickman said:

The Punisher seems like a perfect fit for a Netflix show, honestly. It can be as dark and violent as it wants without having to worry about an R rating impacting ticket sales in the theater. I'd love for them to base it on Marvel's MAX Punisher comics from about a decade ago. Those were great.

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As long as Daredevil and Punisher are in the same shared universe. Their interactions (throw downs) in the comics were legendary.

Man Called X said:

If Daredevil is any indication for what the Street Level heroes series are all going to be like, we are in for a huge fucking treat.

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You're a pussy.

The Oi said:

You're a pussy.

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And you're raising one of my kids as your own. You're a far better man than I.

I'm probably more excited for David Tennant as Purple Man than the Jessica Jones character.

Punisher would be an excellent add to a Netflix/Marvel Universe. Given that the showrunner for Daredevil is already advocating it, I imagine there might be something to this.

I'll throw Moon Knight out there as well as a character that could fit into the current framework. Wouldn't be shocked to see him at least mentioned.

Ghost Rider is another Marvel character that fits into a TV show. Budget would need to be huge though.

Soar said:

I'm probably more excited for David Tennant as Purple Man than the Jessica Jones character.

Punisher would be an excellent add to a Netflix/Marvel Universe. Given that the showrunner for Daredevil is already advocating it, I imagine there might be something to this.

I'll throw Moon Knight out there as well as a character that could fit into the current framework. Wouldn't be shocked to see him at least mentioned.

Ghost Rider is another Marvel character that fits into a TV show. Budget would need to be huge though.

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Ghost Rider will inevitably end up in the MCU. They didn't buy back his rights for nothing.

Game of Thrones is back tonight. Finally.

Andrew said:

Game of Thrones is back tonight. Finally.

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4 episodes leaked already. Going to try so hard not to watch any episodes before they're supposed to air.

As good as Daredevil has been it's making me kinda sad that we have no idea when they would put out a second season of it.

Hopefully the other shows turn out just as well and it's no big deal, but I'm not sold on doing the movie build-up thing on the TV scale because TV shows are meant to be annualized. It would be a real bummer if we had to wait 5 years to get another stand-alone season.

spydy13 said:

As good as Daredevil has been it's making me kinda sad that we have no idea when they would put out a second season of it.

Hopefully the other shows turn out just as well and it's no big deal, but I'm not sold on doing the movie build-up thing on the TV scale because TV shows are meant to be annualized. It would be a real bummer if we had to wait 5 years to get another stand-alone season.

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I doubt that would be the case due to how acting contracts work. My guess is there has to be some sort of annual clause in the key actors' contracts that guarantee that, if the show is picked up for further seasons, it will be a yearly affair. The problem with waiting is that actors will find other jobs and may not be available to come back, and no actor is going to lock themselves into a potential second season four or five years from now.

Plus, if Daredevil is successful, Netflix will obviously want to do another season of it sooner rather than later. You also have to consider that events in each individual show don't necessarily have to interact with each other. The only one where that really is necessary is when they all come together for the Defenders show. And as long as all three shows share concepts and scripts with each other, it'll be easy enough to create a sort of continuity between them.

I honestly don't know how Netflix considers a show a success or not, but based on critical and fan reception, it seems like Daredevil will probably fit the definition unless no one watches it. If the show is a success, I'd imagine we'll see a second season in a year.

Netflix seems to approach the logistics of tv making the same as the networks so yearly series are what to expect. I think you will see another series of daredevil next spring depending on how the whole defenders is planned. That would be the only reason to change it

Jack Brickman said:

I doubt that would be the case due to how acting contracts work. My guess is there has to be some sort of annual clause in the key actors' contracts that guarantee that, if the show is picked up for further seasons, it will be a yearly affair. The problem with waiting is that actors will find other jobs and may not be available to come back, and no actor is going to lock themselves into a potential second season four or five years from now.

Plus, if Daredevil is successful, Netflix will obviously want to do another season of it sooner rather than later. You also have to consider that events in each individual show don't necessarily have to interact with each other. The only one where that really is necessary is when they all come together for the Defenders show. And as long as all three shows share concepts and scripts with each other, it'll be easy enough to create a sort of continuity between them.

I honestly don't know how Netflix considers a show a success or not, but based on critical and fan reception, it seems like Daredevil will probably fit the definition unless no one watches it. If the show is a success, I'd imagine we'll see a second season in a year.

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Netflix originally said that each show would air a year apart, but that's already changed with A.K.A. Jessica Jones scheduled for sometime in the back end of this year. My guess is with the success of this show (which as you said, no one has any idea how they measure success, but this show has to be deemed a success) they try to speed up the process and do the Luke Cage and Iron Fist show next year before airing The Defenders in early 2017.

Which means that unless they further deviate from that plan, the earliest we would get new Daredevil is mid-late 2017. Maybe they will keep Charlie Cox happy by having him appear in some of the other series? It's not exactly like he's some huge actor, so as long as they keep him away from doing a network show that would take up all his time he would be fine to do movies or another smaller BBC type show.