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2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

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Who do you plan to vote for in November?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 93 39.6%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 44 18.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 55 23.4%
  • I won't vote

    Votes: 43 18.3%

  • Total voters
    235
Lindsey Graham might be the worst presidential candidate ever, breaking Rick Perry's record from four years ago. What a loser.

He sounded like his fucking dog had just died.

"I don't have a wife. No kids. I got nothin'. Never had nothin'. It's just me, so that means I'm gonna give it my all."
 
I think that student loan forgiveness should be expanded. The taxpayers should not look at forgiveness as a negative, but more so as a wise investment.

Again, if so many of the students are unable to pay back these loans after graduation, I question how wise an "investment" it really was in those cases.

Shouldn't we at least consider the possibility that too many people are going to college and/or studying shit that doesn't make them more employable?

Nor do I like the idea of basing repayment as a percentage of salary. That reduces the incentive to study subjects that make you more valuable economically. Why should an engineer have to payore than an art history major? Isn't that a backwards incentive?
 
Demanding data to prove a point you were willing to admit doesn't fall within my definition of good faith.

The magnitude of the effect is open to reasonable debate. But disputing the fact at the outset was not.
That's the easy way out and you know it. Come on.
 
Again, if so many of the students are unable to pay back these loans after graduation, I question how wise an "investment" it really was in those cases.

Shouldn't we at least consider the possibility that too many people are going to college and/or studying shit that doesn't make them more employable?

Nor do I like the idea of basing repayment as a percentage of salary. That reduces the incentive to study subjects that make you more valuable economically. Why should an engineer have to payore than an art history major? Isn't that a backwards incentive?

Yes, too many people are going to college, primarily because middle class jobs have moved overseas thanks to "free" trade agreements and other anti-middle class policies. These same people that are affected, love to spend their money on Chinese-made junk though. More kids should be pushed towards vocational programs, even if it's mandated. If your test scores and academic progress are not up to par, you go to the vocational school. Not saying these people can't eventually go to college, because they can and some should, but a vocational program gives them a tangible skill to fall back on.

Should an Art History major pay less? No. I would be fine with public student loans only being available to essential areas (STEM, Healthcare, teaching, etc). If you want to major in Art History, take out a private loan or do self-study. If there is a need for Art History majors, universities can offer scholarships to attract them (and eventually fill faculty roles). If our society is going to make an investment, it should be a wise investment.

I earned a Masters in Chemistry and paid $0 for it. I earned it by teaching and conducting research for the university. I was also paid a stipend. Some of my classmates took out student loans, even though they had the same deal that I did. They took out the loans to supplement their lifestyles. This is another area that needs to be nipped in the butt. Student loans should be for tuition and fees only. Not for room and board, not for lifestyle supplementation, not for lavish vacations, etc. If someone owes $0 in tuition and fees, they should be eligible for $0 in student loans.
 
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Very awkward so far and it hasn't even started.
 
Special Olympics kicking off at the Q
 
Terrible hosts...my god
 
I think it is madness to openly say that a nation investing heavily in the minds of its people is a bad idea. The strength of this country is not only based on military might but an unprecedented 60 year economic winning streak that was fueled by the GI Bill after WWII and the continued fostering of accessible higher education through the Baby-Boom generation (until they fucking wrecked it). The very same Baby-Boomers now depicting Millennials as cry-babies about debt are also the very ones who benefited greatly from subsidized education. Obviously, they got theirs and now the rest of us can fucking eat a dick.

Nothing bad comes out of educating the masses (despite what the anti-intellectual wing of the GOP may say) and many positive unintended consequences crop up when smart people are trained to use their gifts. For example, Sweden, notorious bogeyman of the Right, dominates the Pop Music industry because they decided to modestly invest in music programs starting in the 1950s (thought to deter pop/rock music...whoops). As it turns out, all those properly trained and educated people started doing some interesting things and have increased the return on investment many times over. Read about it here. It is interesting:

http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/swedish-pop-mafia-music-world-influence-73966

As for completely wiping the slate clean on loans, I think that may be drastic. However, clearing the decks of much of that sequestered $1 Trillion would have nothing but positive effects on the economy. In light of how we not only let those assholes on Wall Street off the hook for driving us off a cliff, but also subsidized their stupidity, there is no moral argument as to why we can't find ways to relieve some of the debt burden for those who have contributed to the nation's interests. How about:

I. Total loan forgiveness for military personnel with at least a full year of deployment to a combat zone (that is for those whose education wasn't already paid for by the government).
II. 75% loan forgiveness for vital life-saving personnel like nurses, EMTs, PAs, police and firefighters etc. Also for those teachers brave enough to do a tour in inner-city schools.
III. Across the board reductions of some percentage.

I know many of our friends on the Right love trickle-down economics and the effect of lowering the loan burden would result in a Housing-Boom, a Wedding-Boom, a new Baby-Boom, a huge boom in consumer spending on items like cars and the opportunity to start investing money as well as planning for retirement. The alternative is the continued delayed maturation of an entire generation and all the attendant economic and social consequences (example, women are delaying having children which increases the chances of birth defects) it carries. Whether one agrees are not on the principle of loan forgiveness, we do have a national problem and it must be addressed.

Reform of the whole system is necessary. I don't think higher education should be free. However, we had a workable system as recently as the late-90s so it is possible to satisfy most parties involved. We must return to properly investing in our future rather than trying to fleece it.
 
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I've met Walker. Have been to a couple dinners.

Shady guy. Egotistical and willing to sell his mother if he thought it would help him win.
 
I can't stand Huckabee.

Walker with that abortion question was just brutal.

Carson is scared to death.

This field will narrow very quickly.
 

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