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Helium filament said:
If it were closer to the same amount of minutes played or even games closed, I would trust the stats more. But since Mozgov was only allowed to close close games 4 times compared to TT's 23, those stats are totally unreliable. Yes only one of them can play at a time, but because Mozgov was given very few opportunities to close tight games, the clutch stats really aren't useful.
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That's your prerogative, but again, you seem to be missing the point about the "sample size" you keep complaining about. It will never be, as you say, "close to the same amount of minutes played or games played", because ONLY ONE GUY CAN BE ON THE COURT. It will never be close, unless Kevin misses the majority of the season. And where did you get 4 and 23 from?
 
BimboColesHair said:
That's your prerogative, but again, you seem to be missing the point about the "sample size" you keep complaining about. It will never be, as you say, "close to the same amount of minutes played or games played", because ONLY ONE GUY CAN BE ON THE COURT. It will never be close, unless Kevin misses the majority of the season. And where did you get 4 and 23 from?
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If you really think that comparing statistics taken from 4 games for Mozgov versus 23 for TT is valid, then there's no point continuing this conversation. And I got those numbers by adding the wins/losses of the games used in the stats you posted.
 
Helium filament said:
If you really think that comparing statistics taken from 4 games for Mozgov versus 23 for TT is valid, then there's no point continuing this conversation. And I got those numbers by adding the wins/losses of the games used in the stats you posted.
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And this is where the disconnect between us shows.

Unlike the majority of the people in this thread right now, I'm not trying to compare Tristan to Timo (you'd think my back-to-back posts about complaining about people comparing the 2 would have made that clear, but apparently not).

Look at just Tristan's stats that I posted there. Just Tristan's. The team performed very well, net +20.1 rating...I was responding to someone questioning the decision to play Tristan over Timo in the 4th, and I wanted to provide stats that we were really, really good with him on the floor in the 4th quarter of close games.

I'll bow out now. You all can re-take this thread and make it a TT vs Timo debate again.
 
If I had to guess, I'd say 90% of the people on this forum appreciate TT's game. He's a solid player. But if you start to examine not only the player's attributes but also their attributes relative to their price then it becomes a lot trickier. Shumpert for example is obviously an important piece of our team, and I think most were cool with him getting 10 mil a year even if that was maybe a slight overpay, but would people be cool with him getting 17 million a year? Would they be Shumpert haters if they objected to him being on the team at 17 mil a season, especially if that might mean that other players would have to be let go to pay for Shumpert's 17 mil per season?
 
BimboColesHair said:
And this is where the disconnect between us shows.

Unlike the majority of the people in this thread right now, I'm not trying to compare Tristan to Timo (you'd think my back-to-back posts about complaining about people comparing the 2 would have made that clear, but apparently not).

Look at just Tristan's stats that I posted there. Just Tristan's. The team performed very well, net +20.1 rating...I was responding to someone questioning the decision to play Tristan over Timo in the 4th, and I wanted to provide stats that we were really, really good with him on the floor in the 4th quarter of close games.

I'll bow out now. You all can re-take this thread and make it a TT vs Timo debate again.
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Timo had the overall best net rating though. Our starting lineup dominated games. The poster you responded to (and myself) was just baffled over the fact that Mozgov very rarely got to close out games. He played very well when he got to play over 25 minutes, so I don't think it's just that Mozgov "gets winded easily". I don't see anything wrong with wondering why Mozgov didn't get to play in the fourth quarter when our team was clearly better since we got him.

Also, you were the one using those stats to compare TT and Moz in the first place.......
 
Helium filament said:
Timo had the overall best net rating though. Our starting lineup dominated games. The poster you responded to (and myself) was just baffled over the fact that Mozgov very rarely got to close out games. He played very well when he got to play over 25 minutes, so I don't think it's just that Mozgov "gets winded easily". I don't see anything wrong with wondering why Mozgov didn't get to play in the fourth quarter when our team was clearly better since we got him.
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And, again, we were really good with Tristan on the floor in the 4th quarters of close games. Why change what had already been working so well, and ended up working very well for the entire season? I get questioning it during the season, but it fucking worked, and worked well. So what is the main issue here?

And stop fucking comparing them with me. I didn't even bring up Timo, save for the stats I posted just for a starting point. I didn't want to talk about Timo, this is the Tristan thread, not the Tristan vs Timo thread. Someone asked a question, I posted their stats, then literally said why the fuck are we comparing them in the same post. Stop comparing them. This isn't a one or the other, or a one is better than the other situation.
 
BimboColesHair said:
And, again, we were really good with Tristan on the floor in the 4th quarters of close games. Why change what had already been working so well, and ended up working very well for the entire season? I get questioning it during the season, but it fucking worked, and worked well. So what is the main issue here?

And stop fucking comparing them with me. I didn't even bring up Timo, save for the stats I posted just for a comparison point. I didn't want to talk about Timo, this is the Tristan thread, not the Tristan vs Timo thread. Someone asked a question, I posted their stats, then literally said why the fuck are we comparing them in the same post. Stop comparing them. This isn't a one or the other, or a one is better than the other situation.
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Yeah I think you missed my edit where I pointed out that you were the one who started the comparisons in the first place by posting those stats.
 
Helium filament said:
Yeah I think you missed my edit where I pointed out that you were the one who started the comparisons in the first place by posting those stats.
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But I wasn't posting them to compare them. That's where you just insinuated that I was, due to the recent history of this thread. All I wanted to do is show how the team performed with Tristan in the 4th. That is all. Maybe I shouldn't have posted Timo's stats to get that result, but I know for a fact someone would have asked to see Timo's stats for those situations, so I saved myself the hassle.
 
Here is Bimbo after that latest post:

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Lord Mar said:
Here is Bimbo after that latest post:

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I'm just tired of seeing the same shit over and over again in here. The same conversation, day in and day out.

Someone needed to change the beat.

Now, back to ignore with you.
 
Bleacher Report is claiming that a source says TT will only play for the Cavs beyond this upcoming season if they give him a longterm max deal for this season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tm_campaign=web-des-art-top-19?is_shared=true

If this is true, not sure it's good negotiating on TT's part unless he truly wants to leave.

They are claiming Toronto will pay TT the max , which is possible maybe even more likely now that they got Jonas V. on a decent deal.

That said, I don't see LeBron leaving if we lose TT. What can LeBron really say? He's leaving the Cavs because we refused to max out a role player?
 
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Paul said:
Bleacher Report is claiming that a source says TT will only play for the Cavs beyond this upcoming season if they give him a longterm max deal for this season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tm_campaign=web-des-art-top-19?is_shared=true

If this is true, not sure it's good negotiating on TT's part unless he truly wants to leave.
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At this point....I really don't care if it impacts LeBron's career here (it shouldn't). Just win me a championship and you can go follow Jim Brown LeBron.
 
i remembered one episod of end a regular season game - on the bench tt hits in the love's face - tt has bad influence on command chemistry -trade him - + we'll see moz at end of game
 
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