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2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

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Who do you plan to vote for in November?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 93 39.6%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 44 18.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 55 23.4%
  • I won't vote

    Votes: 43 18.3%

  • Total voters
    235
Kasich, Rubio and Carson are legit guys in this... Bush is a stooge. Christie can't win. Forina is way too cunty to get people to like her. Paul, Huck, Cruz, Trump, Walker are all LOLZ

I agree the way this is going I suspect the power brokers are going to align towards a Kasich/Rubio ticket.
-Successful political career
-liked as a governor of a battleground state
-Former Fox News personality so he's going to be a reliable conservative and is used to the limelight
-Comes off as sane
-Matched with a guy who can help with the Latino vote.

There is no way in hell Carson is going to get the ticket.

Fiorina looks good now as she can play attack dog with no one paying attention to her but everyone including both the parties is you can go hog wild with her business record. Most I see is a possible VP nod as she can tee off on Hillary without coming off as sexist.

Just really surprised about Bush and of Walker. Walker's credentials looked very strong to me at the beginning of the campaign but Trump seemed to just threw him for a loop. He was focused on taking on Bush.
 
I agree the way this is going I suspect the power brokers are going to align towards a Kasich/Rubio ticket.
-Successful political career
-liked as a governor of a battleground state
-Former Fox News personality so he's going to be a reliable conservative and is used to the limelight
-Comes off as sane
-Matched with a guy who can help with the Latino vote.

There is no way in hell Carson is going to get the ticket.

Fiorina looks good now as she can play attack dog with no one paying attention to her but everyone including both the parties is you can go hog wild with her business record. Most I see is a possible VP nod as she can tee off on Hillary without coming off as sexist.

Just really surprised about Bush and of Walker. Walker's credentials looked very strong to me at the beginning of the campaign but Trump seemed to just threw him for a loop. He was focused on taking on Bush.

I don't think either of those guys would actually make the top of the ticket as I don't see them able to win the primary.

1) Kasich is too willing to compromise. The conservative establishment is not remotely fond of him. He supports issues that are non-starters for the conservative movement, like the Iran deal, Obamacare, Medicaid expansion. He's also not hawkish when it comes to foreign policy, which is a criteria for winning this primary. He's a good man, and I think he might even make for a good President; but it's hard to think he'd be beholden to special interests given his track record.

2) Rubio. Under what scenario does Rubio come out ahead? I just don't see Republican voters nominating him as he doesn't really command a room, and he's never really been that popular among the national electorate.

He's very much like a poor man's Boobie.. I mean, a poor man's Paul Ryan. Republican strategists make the mistake that Rubio has a chance to win or even improve his standings with Latinos - simply by virtue of being Latino. It's the same silly argument for Ben Carson. It was the same silly argument for Paul Ryan; that he could somehow improve Romney's standing with evangelicals and Catholics who might feel he worshiped the devil.

Latinos aren't going to rally behind Rubio, and rather than flocking to the party, they're leaving it in droves. He has no political base outside of the Cuban community. That works in Florida, but not on a national stage.

Rubio would be a great VP pick, as would Kasich. But I still expect Bush to win the nomination, and I highly doubt Bush would pick Rubio as his running mate.

Bush/Kasich makes all the sense in the world. As would a that'd be their best shot from an electoral standpoint.
 
@gourimoko, since you're the one with a huge amount of political experience... serious question here...

What would happen if one of the presidential nominees dies a few days before Election Day? Does Congress/SCOTUS postpone the election until that person's party can nominate a replacement and hold a few debates with the other party's candidate? Does Congress/SCOTUS even have the authority to do that? Or would that party simply be S.O.L. for that term's election? How would the country react to that? Obviously it's never happened before, but I'm curious to hear what you think would occur.
 
@gourimoko, since you're the one with a huge amount of political experience... serious question here...

What would happen if one of the presidential nominees dies a few days before Election Day?

Depends on the individual states and their rules. In the majority of states, the Secretary of State would remove the deceased candidate and allow the local state party delegates to appoint a new candidate. Thus, it would be unfortunate for that party, but, the election would assuredly continue.

Does Congress/SCOTUS postpone the election until that person's party can nominate a replacement and hold a few debates with the other party's candidate?

Definitely not. Under no circumstances is this allowed.

If the candidate dies before the election, the election continues on schedule and the individual states would carve a path for the party to nominate a new candidate.

If the candidate dies after the election, then the electors of the state determine the new candidate under their own discretion; this person is not a President-Elect since the electors would no longer be bound by their oath to uphold the democratic will of their state. State electors are often party delegates anyway; so again, it'd fall to the local party. This doesn't mean they'll reach a consensus of 270 electors though! Which means the election's outcome is not necessarily assured for a given party. This could result in Congress selecting the President; however, the most likely result would be a party caucus/convention of delegates and super-delegates to nominate a President.

If the candidate dies after the electors have convened, but before being inaugurated, the Congress selects the President. There would be no special election.

If the President dies after being inaugurated, the Vice President becomes President.

Under no circumstances can there be a revote, a delayed vote, or a special election in our system of government.

This is the reason Bush was essentially installed as President as there was no way to invalidate the Florida election. (I voted for GWB in that election, FWIW)

Does Congress/SCOTUS even have the authority to do that?

None.

Congress can appoint the President, but only under very particular circumstances.

Or would that party simply be S.O.L. for that term's election?

This.

They'd likely select an extremely popular person and simultaneously select the current sitting President (if of the same party and popular) as the VP nominee. So, if Clinton died, they'd likely select a very popular Democratic candidate to lead the ticket, and use Obama as the VP nominee to get name recognition on the ticket.

You could envision a Biden/Obama ticket. That would be the most logical choice if there was no clear runner up during the primary season. As in, if Clinton wins Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, the primary season is over. If she were to die, there would be no mandate for a second place finisher. So the logical choice would be Biden. His name recognition isn't that high, so picking Obama as a running mate would make sense.

How would the country react to that?

Depends... If the candidate was popular, then there could be an outcry towards that party. Look at LBJ in 1964.

Obviously it's never happened before, but I'm curious to hear what you think would occur.

It's actually a question that's come up many times; we have provisions for any such occurrence.

The real problem is if the electoral college is split 269/269, the popular vote goes to one candidate, and the House is controlled by the opposing party. That is a Constitutional crisis in the making.
 
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Frankly I think our system is antiquated.

There is no reason that we should not be directly electing the President by popular vote.

The electoral college disincentivizes and also devalues the voting in largely populated states.

I also think it's time we moved to a more responsive form of government, something like a parliamentary system would work much better as special elections would keep the voting public more actively involved.
 
Frankly I think our system is antiquated.

There is no reason that we should not be directly electing the President by popular vote.

The electoral college disincentivizes and also devalues the voting in largely populated states.

One issue is are we sure we know how to count the votes. It still amazes me that counting votes isn't as accurate as withdrawing money from the ATM.

The current system also devalues voting in western states where winners can be declared while they are still on their way or waiting in line to vote.
 
One issue is are we sure we know how to count the votes. It still amazes me that counting votes isn't as accurate as withdrawing money from the ATM.

The current system also devalues voting in western states where winners can be declared while they are still on their way or waiting in line to vote.

Agreed 100%..

My only comment would be that machines like Diebold vote counting machines are inherently unsafe.

Now.. there's lots of stuff about this online. Lots..

For anyone who wants to know the truth, the truth is these machines are AWFUL at counting votes and the software is some of the worst shit you could imagine.

I don't want to say too much more, but my company did work for a few states on the East Coast for their voting machine transition. OMFG... And there is absolutely zero security.

How much security is zero security?

Let me put it this way. I know someone, I cant say who, who has a copy (as in PNG image) of every signature of every person who voted using these machines in 2 very important states. The votes are not secret, and there is no security on these machines. They can be rigged, they can break, they can glitch, and they aren't secure.

Paper ballots are far safer... and that's crazy when you consider how much bullshit goes on with paper ballots.

I'll answer questions about that via PM, but not in the open thread.
 
@gourimoko, since you're the one with a huge amount of political experience... serious question here...

What would happen if one of the presidential nominees dies a few days before Election Day? Does Congress/SCOTUS postpone the election until that person's party can nominate a replacement and hold a few debates with the other party's candidate? Does Congress/SCOTUS even have the authority to do that? Or would that party simply be S.O.L. for that term's election? How would the country react to that? Obviously it's never happened before, but I'm curious to hear what you think would occur.


Umm ... what are you planning to do ? Should I pay more attention to the news from now on ? :p
 
This is just sad....

Jeb Bush apparently was standing on his tiptoes so that he'd stand out as the tallest person on the stage in the group photo.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Donald-Trump-stands-tiptoes-group-photo.html

Is he checking out somebodys cleavage ?
 
The great thing about Bush on his tiptoes is that you just know Trump is going to call him out on that in the next debate. Talk about watching someone squirm....
 
Umm ... what are you planning to do ? Should I pay more attention to the news from now on ? :p

What's kind of funny about this is that there were a lot of jokes about nobody ever wanting to off Obama because Joe Biden is so dumb that nobody would want to see him as President. And now he's being portrayed by some as the guy who may need to ride in and rescue the Democrats.
 
The great thing about Bush on his tiptoes is that you just know Trump is going to call him out on that in the next debate. Talk about watching someone squirm....

When is the next debate ? I did not watch this one and i heard that Trump called Fiorina a horse face or something to that extent ?
 
When is the next debate ? I did not watch this one and i heard that Trump called Fiorina a horse face or something to that extent ?

Lol.. He said she was "beautiful."

We won't know for at least 5 days, and even then it'll be another 10 before any reliable polling is out..

Preliminary polling looks like Fiorina came out ahead. But I don't think these polls are remotely indicative of the mood of the electorate a few days from now.
 
Agreed 100%..

My only comment would be that machines like Diebold vote counting machines are inherently unsafe.

Now.. there's lots of stuff about this online. Lots..

For anyone who wants to know the truth, the truth is these machines are AWFUL at counting votes and the software is some of the worst shit you could imagine.

I don't want to say too much more, but my company did work for a few states on the East Coast for their voting machine transition. OMFG... And there is absolutely zero security.

How much security is zero security?

Let me put it this way. I know someone, I cant say who, who has a copy (as in PNG image) of every signature of every person who voted using these machines in 2 very important states. The votes are not secret, and there is no security on these machines. They can be rigged, they can break, they can glitch, and they aren't secure.

Paper ballots are far safer... and that's crazy when you consider how much bullshit goes on with paper ballots.

I'll answer questions about that via PM, but not in the open thread.

HBO did a great documentary about this a few years ago, I want to say relating to the Florida fiasco is 2000, but it featured how easily the diebold machines could be hacked and how cuyahoga county had just invested a ton of money in switching to them.

It's hilarious that no one brings this up when they talk about voter fraud. Nope, they only care if minorities and low income people are able to easily vote.
 

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