2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

[Maximus]

As I said, a Trump/Biden debate would be the greatest presidential debate in the history of American politics. Neither guy has a filter...Biden just seems comparatively sane because he's not a racist asshole.

No, Joe is no racist. He loves all the Indians that serve him coffee at 7-11's and Dunkin Donuts. He also loves articulate blacks as long as they are "clean" blacks. He hates Jewish shylocks though. Ok, so he's kind of racist.

 

[Jordan]

Also, I don't know if anyone reads the neoconservative echo-chamber Commentary Magazine, but I actually think they present the viewpoint very well. I try reading them twice a week just so I can understand the arguments on that side of the isle. Anyways, they are super anti-Trump, which I find interesting for a multitude of reasons.

 

[gourimoko]

Maybe but Jeb! looks like he's become Al Gore'd even by fellow Republicans. Romney even when not polling well always projected intelligence and confidence. Meanwhile Jeb! is getting meme'd to death with his tip toes and low fives. Trump is painting him as a wimp and it's hard not to see it with his inability to even stand up for his wife

Kasich/Rubio gives them a ticket where each has a home base in a battleground state without Jeb's baggage and it defuses the ability for the Democrats to paint all Republicans as Trumps on immigration.

Lol @ "Jeb!"

I agree Kasich Rubio, electorally makes tons of sense -- in the general.. Ohio/Florida, moderate conservative top of the ticket, hyper-conservative VP. Both Catholics.. I get it..

Can you really see either of those guys winning the primaries though? None of those guys polls well in the South, and Jeb! will likely win New Hampshire and Florida when it's all said and done.

I just don't see how they get the necessary number of delegates?

 

[Jack Brickman]

No, Joe is no racist. He loves all the Indians that serve him coffee at 7-11's and Dunkin Donuts. He also loves articulate blacks as long as they are "clean" blacks. He hates Jewish shylocks though. Ok, so he's kind of racist.

But he's not an asshole.

 

[gourimoko]

No, Joe is no racist. He loves all the Indians that serve him coffee at 7-11's and Dunkin Donuts. He also loves articulate blacks as long as they are "clean" blacks. He hates Jewish shylocks though. Ok, so he's kind of racist.

 

[Maximus]

But he's not an asshole.

A whole ass then?

 

[Jack Brickman]

A whole ass then?

Nah. He's just that "adorable old person racist" just like all of our grandparents.

 

[gourimoko]

It's so tough to predict winners, though. For example, I think Rubio has done very well in both debates but it hasn't effected his poll numbers at all. Jeb, right now, isn't doing well at all in debates or polls (by this I mean he keeps dropping) but he has the most money. This isn't 2012 where the only seriously competitive candidate really was Romney. All these guys are competing. I'll be interested to see where it ends up. I do think it ultimately comes down to Carson, Rubio, or Bush.

People aren't really paying attention yet, so the polls are very volatile.

Bush has the largest base, and the greatest degree of tangible support; add to that, Republicans are big on nominating the guy who is next in line. Bush is the establishment candidate 100%, and those campaigns designed to go directly after Trump are meant to put an establishment candidate into office.

As we approach individual primary states, meaning Iowa and New Hampshire, voters will begin to solidify their position in those respective states; but nationally, again, the polls are irrelevant.

For example, national polls meant nothing for the Obama campaign even going into Super Tuesday. They didn't matter until the general election.

State polling is the only thing you'd want to concern yourself with, as Iowa and New Hampshire voters are paying substantially more attention than voters elsewhere.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

When is the next debate ? I did not watch this one and i heard that Trump called Fiorina a horse face or something to that extent ?

Believe it or not, she actually called herself that. Sort of, anyway.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The great thing about Bush on his tiptoes is that you just know Trump is going to call him out on that in the next debate. Talk about watching someone squirm....

Okay, Bush apparently was already asked about this, and his answer was that he was standing on his tiptoes so he could see his wife...

Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

 

[MRMsix6]

Okay, Bush apparently was already asked about this, and his answer was that he was standing on his tiptoes so he could see his wife...

Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

That's more believable than him actually standing on his tip toes to appear taller in a photo op with a million cameras on him.

I mean, really?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

HBO did a great documentary about this a few years ago, I want to say relating to the Florida fiasco is 2000, but it featured how easily the diebold machines could be hacked and how cuyahoga county had just invested a ton of money in switching to them.

It's hilarious that no one brings this up when they talk about voter fraud. Nope, they only care if minorities and low income people are able to easily vote.

There is lots of potential for fraud. To my mind, the biggest risk is absentee voting, so I'm a big believer in limiting that as much as possible. I wouldn't be opposed to having elections on Saturday.

Paper ballots can be tampered with at the precinct/polling place level, and you might never even know. Electronic voting can be hacked, though I'm not sure if there are any confirmed instances of hacking actually occuring successfully in an election as opposed to it just being shwon as possible.

We can try for more secure electronic software, but if there crooked local officials, it's going to be tough to prevent tampering with non-electronic methods of voting.

We just have to be vigilant, have a lot of monitors from different groups, etc.

One thing I've never really understood are objections to the presence of monitors from each party. Big fight in Ohio on that in 2004. I'm much more comfortable with opposing candidates each having representatives present versus just having allegedly "neutral" officials.

 

[brownindian]

Okay, Bush apparently was already asked about this, and his answer was that he was standing on his tiptoes so he could see his wife...

Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

Wow I didnt know you were a chinese Jet Pilot !!!!!

 

[The Oi]

Wait...have people been considering Joe Biden likeable this entire time?

I thought he made everyone else's skin crawl like mine.

He's Jackie the Jokeman.

 

[brownindian]

Wait...have people been considering Joe Biden likeable this entire time?

I thought he made everyone else's skin crawl like mine.

He's Jackie the Jokeman.