Tristan Thompson

Tornicade said:

I think that we would have this holdout regardless of the tax. Teams dont like to pay energy guys with intangibles. we saw the same thing with AV.

These guys DNA is to compete and do the hard and gritty stuff. its not surprising they would take the same approach when it comes to their contracts . espeially the most criticaly contract of their career. coming off the rookie contract.

Is still think we see Thompson sign for a 1-2 year contract or a 5 year 83-87. . Thompsons outplayed and was more effective than all his higher price counterparts he faced in the playoffs. potential for the 24 year old is undeniable..the wquestion for the Cavs is how long and how much better Thompson can be at his peak.

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Wrong, but you've been saying this for two months.

Paul said:

I'm not really seeing this as the Cavs being in a bind for 1 year or 2, and then suddenly their luxury tax problems gone.

We can get Andy off the books fairly soon, but if we keep Mozgov we're looking at a contract that's going to be roughly as big as Tristan's deal. Then you have LeBron making approximately 38 million starting I think in 2017-2018. Then you factor in that the Cavs will probably have to start paying Delly something a bit more than the minimum starting in 2016-2017.

Tristan wants to be a Cav and he also wants to sign a long term deal so that the Cavs are basically stuck with him. The bigger the dollar amount of the deal, the more untradeable he is. Once he gets his big long term deal, the Cavs will have to structure everything that comes thereafter around him.

Under the circumstances, there doesn't seem to be a realistic way to unload Tristan. The demands of a max deal are just insult to injury.

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I for one dont believe the Cavs are a bunch of Buffoons who cant accomplish some basic financial and roster planning.
its not like this Tax issue was not something they could anticipate. Heck the increase in the cap at the moratorium probably saved them 10 million dollars.

people are fixated on this one transaction and completely ignoring a wholistic or big picture view.

Tristan cost was not unanticipated. they offered him an extension and Thompson turned it down.

They Extended AV's contract. they discussed increasing their salary an additional 10 million for a possible trade.
They knew they would need to bring in a guy on MLE. they knew what they would be signing lebron for. They knew they had the TT contract when they signed JR Smith, Shumpert and they knew before the moratium what the cap projections would be and how they intended to structure the Salary.

This all comes down to what the Cavs Value Thompson at and what Thompson values himself at.

everything else is just excuses.
so are the Cavs a bunch of Buffoons who dont know how to work a calculator and project financials. or do they have a plan in place.
I prefer to think they arent buffoons. obviously some of you have a different outlook even if the thought hadnt occured to you

Cavs are making a statement and regardless of what the actual contract turns out to be. that you better bring your A game to the negotiating table if you wanna play hardball

Rich said:

Says who? They aren't interested in a 2-3 year deal in which Thompson makes just as much in those years as he would in a five year max deal. Who in the hell would be? That doesn't solve the luxury tax issue at all.

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Cavs want a 5 year deal. Why don't they do the max without hitting the next tax level this year and renegotiate next year? There is a reason.

mds said:

This has been said 65 million times (one for each dollar tristan is worth), but you can't blame all of the tax hit on Tristan's contract. Everyone contributes to the total bill.

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Except that LeBron, Kyrie, Love, and pretty much everyone else on the roster (ok, maybe except Andy) has basketball skills that justify their salary. Each one of these players would be picked up by almost any other team in the league for their current price tag in a blink of an eye. Tristan is demanding a contract that's so out of touch with his actual basketball skills and market value that it's impossible to overlook the greed and opportunism in those demands.

teamballer said:

Except that LeBron, Kyrie, Love, and pretty much everyone else on the roster (ok, maybe except Andy) has basketball skills that justify their salary. Each one of these players would be picked up by almost any other team in the league for their current price tag in a blink of an eye. Tristan is demanding a contract that's so out of touch with his actual basketball skills and market value that it's impossible to overlook the greed and opportunism in those demands.

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Right for this year. It has been said over and over that 11M at the current cap, (which I think is in line with what TT should be paid) is 16M under the new cap. Is he supposed to sign a 5 year contract at the current cap level? Is that what you are suggesting? That is overly fair to the Cavs IMO.

It has been said more than once that the Cavs want him long term, most probably 5 years. So what is the compromise? Is 5 years at 80 good enough? I think so. The guys who want 5 at 60 are being unfair to TT IMO. If they want a fair price for these 2 years they should try to get him to sign a 2 year contract.

I do like all the John Henson and Ed Davis comparisons, because those guys just aren't as valuable as TT. I can tell when I watch their games and they don't contribute to winning. TT turned the the Bulls series with that rebound as much as Lebron turned it with that buzzerbeater. TT is a winner and he is clutch.

Cavatt said:

Right for this year. It has been said over and over that 11M at the current cap, (which I think is in line with what TT should be paid) is 16M under the new cap. Is he supposed to sign a 5 year contract at the current cap level? Is that what you are suggesting? That is overly fair to the Cavs IMO.

It has been said more than once that the Cavs want him long term, most probably 5 years. So what is the compromise? Is 5 years at 80 good enough? I think so. The guys who want 5 at 60 are being unfair to TT IMO. If they want a fair price for these 2 years they should try to get him to sign a 2 year contract.

I do like all the John Henson and Ed Davis comparisons, because those guys just aren't as valuable as TT. I can tell when I watch their games and they don't contribute to winning. TT turned the the Bulls series with that rebound as much as Lebron turned it with that buzzerbeater. TT is a winner and he is clutch.

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But they both were on playoff teams before last season. Before Lebron came back how exactly did Tristan Thompson contribute to winning?

mds said:

This has been said 65 million times (one for each dollar tristan is worth), but you can't blame all of the tax hit on Tristan's contract. Everyone contributes to the total bill.

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To talk to you in your language:
Yes everyone contributes to the total bill.
But if Cavs don't sign TT this year or sign him to a league minimum, everyone will contribute less to the tax bill (a savings of 60-80 million dollars).
You happy now?


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Los216 said:

But they both were on playoff teams before last season. Before Lebron came back how exactly did Tristan Thompson contribute to winning?

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Adam Morrison has 2 rings and is better than Kyrie with No rings lol. Fake argument

Los216 said:

But they both were on playoff teams before last season. Before Lebron came back how exactly did Tristan Thompson contribute to winning?

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better plus minus than Kyrie during that time

teamballer said:

Except that LeBron, Kyrie, Love, and pretty much everyone else on the roster (ok, maybe except Andy) has basketball skills that justify their salary. Each one of these players would be picked up by almost any other team in the league for their current price tag in a blink of an eye. Tristan is demanding a contract that's so out of touch with his actual basketball skills and market value that it's impossible to overlook the greed and opportunism in those demands.

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This has nothing to do with my point.

Tendulkar said:

To talk to you in your language:
Yes everyone contributes to the total bill.
But if Cavs don't sign TT this year or sign him to a league minimum, everyone will contribute less to the tax bill (a savings of 60-80 million dollars).
You happy now?


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I think English is the preferred language in these parts, so thanks for playing along. You are correct, if we don't sign TT we don't have to pay him, or the taxes. Thanks for making sure we all got that, because I'm sure it hadn't occurred to anyone.

Tornicade said:

I for one dont believe the Cavs are a bunch of Buffoons who cant accomplish some basic financial and roster planning.
its not like this Tax issue was not something they could anticipate. Heck the increase in the cap at the moratorium probably saved them 10 million dollars.

people are fixated on this one transaction and completely ignoring a wholistic or big picture view.

Tristan cost was not unanticipated. they offered him an extension and Thompson turned it down.

They Extended AV's contract. they discussed increasing their salary an additional 10 million for a possible trade.
They knew they would need to bring in a guy on MLE. they knew what they would be signing lebron for. They knew they had the TT contract when they signed JR Smith, Shumpert and they knew before the moratium what the cap projections would be and how they intended to structure the Salary.

This all comes down to what the Cavs Value Thompson at and what Thompson values himself at.

everything else is just excuses.
so are the Cavs a bunch of Buffoons who dont know how to work a calculator and project financials. or do they have a plan in place.
I prefer to think they arent buffoons. obviously some of you have a different outlook even if the thought hadnt occured to you

Cavs are making a statement and regardless of what the actual contract turns out to be. that you better bring your A game to the negotiating table if you wanna play hardball

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Griffin and his team have plans and projections for the future, but it's a pretty complex thing and I don't know that we can expect him to have it all mapped out and planned for.

The team had some serious deficiencies and Griffin had to make trades happen to correct the deficiencies. He was therefore stuck between a rock and hard place because he probably realized that these role players he traded for would eventually want bigger money, but if he didn't make the deals then how could the Cavs compete for a title? My guess is that Gilbert just told him to get the players in and they would try and figure out how to make the payroll work later.

I also doubt that Griffin was projecting Tristan as a max contract player. Tristan turned down the 13 mil per season, but I doubt Griffin expected him to demand a max deal a year later.

So now the Cavs have a team that is good enough to win a championship, but they may need to drop a player or two in the next couple of years to make it feasible financially. It happens pretty often. Splitter was a luxury the Spurs couldn't afford. David Lee was a luxury the Warriors couldn't afford. Based on TT's connections and this perfect storm of events, it does not appear that TT is going to be the guy who gets kicked to the curb.


Assuming Tristan gets locked up long term, these are the players who would seem to be on the hot seat:

1)Mozgov
2)Andy
3)Jr
4)Delly (unless he willing to continue to play for right around the minimum)


What the Cavs value Tristan at is almost irrelevant at this point. The Cavs are more or less obliged to pay him because they can't risk losing him for nothing and they are probably unwilling to risk the fallout from LeBron if they don't keep Tristan. So, under duress, they value Tristan quite high, but in a vacuum I doubt they see him as worth much more than the 13 mil per year they offered him a year ago.

mds said:

You are correct, if we don't sign TT we don't have to pay him, or the taxes. Thanks for making sure we all got that, because I'm sure it hadn't occurred to anyone.

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Thanks for acknowledging the fact. Some people are in denial or just plain dumb. So you have to Spell it out to them.



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This is an interesting listen. Windy is towing the Rich Paul line. Lowe basically knocks it all back as bullshit.

Tendulkar said:

Thanks for acknowledging the fact. Some people are in denial or just plain dumb. So you have to Spell it out to them.



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Thank God you're here to spell it out.