Jason Lloyd's final thoughts

Jason Lloyd on the "Hooley and Dino" radio show on Cleveland ESPN radio
Feb 23, 2016
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14833605&s=espn


- LeBron had "zero" legs against the Pistons.

- I think you will see LeBron sitting more down the stretch.

- Love is demanding the ball late in games now, and he's still not getting the ball.

- Kyrie dominates the ball in the 4th quarter, while Love is ignored. That's how it went last year, and that's how it's going this year.

- Love's best games come when Kyrie is not on the floor. And that's a problem, in terms of maximizing the team's talent.

- The Cavs still have yet to solve the issue of how to maximize the Big 3 all at once, and how to use Love properly.

- Host: Cavs are 19-1 when they have 25+ assists.

- Kyrie feels like he has to do it all himself at times, which is ludicrous when you look at the talent around him. But this may be a carryover from his early years in the league when everything was up to him if the team was going to win.

- Lue is encouraging Kyrie to attack (rather than spread the ball around).

- Kyrie showed last year, for a 3 week stretch, that he could defend at a high level. Then it went away.

- As with his defense last year, Kyrie will have a few games where he racks up assists, and then it goes away. He goes back to dribble, dribble, dribble.

- It's an issue that the Cavs top two players will sometimes go into dribble, dribble, dribble rather than move the ball.

- Kobe said it when the Lakers were in town: The Cavs have to move the ball. That's all that's stopping them from winning the title. They can be unstoppable then.

- "There are people in the locker room who feel (that the Cavs play better) when (Kyrie) is off the floor", but they'll only say that off the record.

- Host: We can beat OKC without Kyrie, but we can't beat Detroit with Kyrie.

Lebron has lost 2x against a team in the finals that moved the ball. He learned that defense is important from the champ Pistons. How long before he leads the team and moves the ball/works off the ball.

That's the real frustration with the team. you can't maximize your potential until you maximize your roster.

Cavatt said:

Lebron has lost 2x against a team in the finals that moved the ball. He learned that defense is important from the champ Pistons. How long before he leads the team and moves the ball/works off the ball.

That's the real frustration with the team. you can't maximize your potential until you maximize your roster.

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Kyrie is more of a problem on all of these things than Lebron is.

LeShaq said:

I think you will see LeBron sitting more down the stretch.

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Not that it matters in the grand scheme, but I wonder if it's a real possibility that we cede the 1st seed.

And those thoughts are why I think it's a really good chance Kyrie is traded this summer if we don't win it, not Love. The team I saw against the Thunder, the Kevin Love I saw, is what will win us titles. Not the Uncle Drew show.

PS - I'd greatly enjoy being proven wrong by Kyrie. I just have more and more doubts every single game I watch him play matador defense and ball hogging.

I would love if Kyrie watched Curry film from the past two seasons because thats how he should play. He thinks he is only productive off of his dribbling and creating for himself. Lebron when he is pounding the ball is still reading the court and trying to create for others and trying to slow the game down. Every game now we run weak side action for the first play of the game for Kyrie and he gets an open jumper off a pick from TT I wish he had that mindset more. Preserve your energy play the right way run in transition if you want to get your points up.

brownsbuck6 said:

And those thoughts are why I think it's a really good chance Kyrie is traded this summer if we don't win it, not Love. The team I saw against the Thunder, the Kevin Love I saw, is what will win us titles. Not the Uncle Drew show.

PS - I'd greatly enjoy being proven wrong by Kyrie. I just have more and more doubts every single game I watch him play matador defense and ball hogging.

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It would also allow us to swallow Delly's salary because we could promote him to the starting line-up.

Using Kyrie as a trade chip would instantly solve our starting 5/depth problem, so we wouldn't have to worry about paying Mozgov.

Still not sure if the Cavs have the balls to trade Kyrie, but we'll see how things transpire in the postseason.

LeShaq said:

- Host: Cavs are 19-1 when they have 25+ assists.

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Here's the data on that stat:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c5val=&order_by=ast


The only time we lost this year when we had 25+ assists in a game was on the road at Chicago.

We lost that game by just two points. And Mo Williams started.

If we move the ball, we win.

Move the freaking ball.

If there's some way in hell that Kings would send over Boogie for Ky then i do that deal 10/10.

LeBron will be the closest thing to Magic. Magic had a wonderful center and shooters around.

Treat LeBron as Magic.

cavsfever said:

Kyrie is more of a problem on all of these things than Lebron is.

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I can't deny it, but who has the power to stand up to Kyrie?

LeShaq said:

Here's the data on that stat:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c5val=&order_by=ast


The only time we lost this year when we had 25+ assists in a game was on the road at Chicago.

We lost that game by just two points. And Mo Williams started.

If we move the ball, we win.

Move the freaking ball.

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Ive been screaming this for
..i dont remember. I dont remember yesterday, but ive been screamin, "move the ball" and shit for a long time it seems

Fucking A, hot latinas and maragaritas!! Its a sketch place with no tv. What else i got to do?

CP3 for Kyrie makes way too much sense for that not to happen if we don't win the title this year. That's not to say that Kyrie isn't a great player and that I wouldn't want to keep him in a vacuum, but I think this team desperately needs a peer to LBJ rather than two underlings to keep him in line and push this team to the next level.

spydy13 said:

CP3 for Kyrie makes way too much sense for that not to happen if we don't win the title this year. That's not to say that Kyrie isn't a great player and that I wouldn't want to keep him in a vacuum, but I think this team desperately needs a peer to LBJ rather than two underlings to keep him in line and push this team to the next level.

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If this were ten years ago, yes. Cp old and stuff now. Would you trade Jared Goff for Phil Rivers?
Not saying its bad, just age and shit

spydy13 said:

CP3 for Kyrie makes way too much sense for that not to happen if we don't win the title this year. That's not to say that Kyrie isn't a great player and that I wouldn't want to keep him in a vacuum, but I think this team desperately needs a peer to LBJ rather than two underlings to keep him in line and push this team to the next level.

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As much as i like CP3, that age difference would be a tough pill to swallow. You're potentially trading away 3-5 years of a contention window but that's irrelevant if Irving refuses to become the player we need him to be.

Frustrating that his immaturity / hesitancy to buy in is what is holding this team back. We've seen him play well within the system before.