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2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

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Regrade the finalized trade

  • A+

    Votes: 20 8.0%

  • A

    Votes: 70 27.9%

  • B

    Votes: 74 29.5%

  • C

    Votes: 39 15.5%

  • D

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Scholar said:
What the hell does any of this really truly have to do with Kyrie Irving? It's a fight over statistics, game viewing, and arguing over the importance of a small number of regular season games.

I sure as hell hope we don't have to spend the rest of this season with this crap after every single game. I'd really like to enjoy these threads. The reason I have regularly visited this site sine I first found out about it. It should not be more painful to read then when were in those multiple years of tanking, but, it is. This really really needs to stop. Agree to disagree and let it go. Chill the hell out. We won a damn championship, lets get to enjoy it.

Anyways, @wuck did a wonderful job of creating this thread to replace the old train wreck of a Kyrie thread. But, it's happening again, only since comparing Kyrie to inferior role players was made taboo, now we hammer away on single stat or two over and over and over again. Are we not allowed to have nice things?

Please stop ruining the Kyrie thread.
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There's five posts for every one post that criticizes kyrie. You know that, right?
 
David. said:
Cool.

I didn't lie about my stats when I posted them and you did not accept them at face value.

I can simply see something you don't, as you did.

Now seriously, If I apologize to you, or say I'm wrong in the future, can you please not double down on going at me?
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I did not accept them because I didn't know what was going on in the thread and, get this, the context of your post...and I apologized for that...did I not?

A little different than flat out calling my numbers wrong in a conversation you fully understood...but you rectified that in clearing things up with me, and I appreciate that.

And no man, I have never doubled down on anything or tried to make anything personal with you...you just seem to think I am, so sorry for whatever is giving off that appearance to you...it really isn't like that at all from my side.

And again...I have no reason to lie to you, or anyone on this board for that matter, Dave. I hope in the future with my posts, should they have stats or something that requires me researching things, that you can appreciate them on face value. Just as I intend to look into the context of your posts closer moving forward...
 
Scholar said:
What the hell does any of this really truly have to do with Kyrie Irving? It's a fight over statistics, game viewing, and arguing over the importance of a small number of regular season games.

I sure as hell hope we don't have to spend the rest of this season with this crap after every single game. I'd really like to enjoy these threads. The reason I have regularly visited this site since I first found out about it. It should not be more painful to read then when we were in those multiple years of tanking, but, it is. This really really needs to stop. Agree to disagree and let it go. Chill the hell out. We won a damn championship, lets get to enjoy it.

Anyways, @wuck did a wonderful job of creating this thread to replace the old train wreck of a Kyrie thread. But, it's happening again, only since comparing Kyrie to inferior role players was made taboo, now we hammer away on a single stat or two over and over and over again. Are we not allowed to have nice things?

Please stop ruining the Kyrie thread.
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Not saying that the argument is prudent to the thread...but I believe last night someone was asking for stats of playoff lineups with no LeBron and Kyrie on the floor from last year. Hard for the public to find lineup numbers from individual playoff series, so here we are with the simple +/- of all lineups with no LeBron, excluding garbage time...

But yeah...this thread is awful...too many people take things personally, including myself at times.

Its the Love thread all over again. Pro Kyrie vs Anti Kyrie, no middle ground, personal shots at opposing posters...leads to hyperbolic arguments like these.
 
David. said:
Because you post like an aashole?

How many people does itr have to be a problem with before its your problem?
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So the admin literally says keep it about Irving and you call me an asshole and start hyping up your mystery crew of posters that are PMing you?

Last time I'm gonna tell you to keep it about Irving. Tired of coddling you man.

David. said:
Yes, you argue both. When one benefits your narrative. Again.
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I argue both because you can't argue one or the other. One entails the other; that's the point.

David. said:
Mfw you argue analysis of play by play
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You didn't post a play-by-play, you posted what you thought of the play-by-play. I argued your interpretation, not the empirical evidence.
 
gourimoko said:
So the admin literally says keep it about Irving and you call me an asshole and start hyping up your mystery crew of posters that are PMing you?

Last time I'm gonna tell you to keep it about Irving. Tired of coddling you man.



I argue both because you can't argue one or the other. One entails the other; that's the point.



You didn't post a play-by-play, you posted what you thought of the play-by-play. I argued your interpretation, not the empirical evidence.
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The admin came here after I reported your posts :chuckle:
 
BimboColesHair said:
Not saying that the argument is prudent to the thread...but I believe last night someone was asking for stats of playoff lineups with no LeBron and Kyrie on the floor from last year. Hard for the public to find lineup numbers from individual playoff series, so here we are with the simple +/- of all lineups with no LeBron, excluding garbage time...
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I posted those exact stats, and went into them; Love+Irving which was 67% of the floor-time that James was off was +0 throughout the playoffs. Only when Irving was on and Love/James were both off was the team negative.

The reason the stats were ignored is because Irving-only time represents ~4% of the total possessions played...
 
Scholar said:
What the hell does any of this really truly have to do with Kyrie Irving?
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Literally nothing....

Scholar said:
It's a fight over statistics, game viewing, and arguing over the importance of a small number of regular season games.
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Exactly.

Scholar said:
I sure as hell hope we don't have to spend the rest of this season with this crap after every single game. I'd really like to enjoy these threads. The reason I have regularly visited this site since I first found out about it. It should not be more painful to read then when we were in those multiple years of tanking, but, it is. This really really needs to stop. Agree to disagree and let it go. Chill the hell out. We won a damn championship, lets get to enjoy it.
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Agreed.

Scholar said:
Anyways, @wuck did a wonderful job of creating this thread to replace the old train wreck of a Kyrie thread. But, it's happening again, only since comparing Kyrie to inferior role players was made taboo, now we hammer away on a single stat or two over and over and over again. Are we not allowed to have nice things?

Please stop ruining the Kyrie thread.
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Yep.. +/-, on/off, and misunderstanding TS% is how we're going to evaluate Kyrie Irving; two team stats and a stat that is actually not unfavorable to Kyrie are the new guidelines for trolling the Irving thread.

It's kinda sad, kid wins us a ring and here we are..

We had to go through the Kyle Korver argument to get here, and now we're just arguing Irving against well, himself I guess...? He's not as good as LeBron so, he sucks? He's not Top 3 so..? He's not better than Harden.. so?

But Lowry, Wall, Rubio, Korver though....

It's just tired... same ole shit, different day. It's a troll-job, plain and simple.
 
I hope Kyrie out plays Lowry tonight.

Lowry is really struggling right now offensively. I think its too early in the season to judge much personally. But I thought Kyrie has been playing better defense as of late. Will he keep it up? I don't know...

Things I want him to do.. Get to the line more. He is attacking the hoop better. I thought he's played pretty solid since that horrific start to the Wizards game.

I thought he and Loved played fine. It was LeBron that was playing pretty bad, until the fourth when he decided to wake up and play.
 
gourimoko said:
I posted those exact stats, and went into them; Love+Irving which was 67% of the floor-time that James was off was +0 throughout the playoffs. Only when Irving was on and Love/James were both off was the team negative.

The reason the stats were ignored is because Irving-only time represents ~4% of the total possessions played...
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Which is crazy to me if you look at the massive skew in game 1 of the Finals, which I believe had Kyrie and K Love on the floor with no LeBron to end the 3rd and start the 4th going -11.
 
Kyrie is so baffling to me. Obviously a great player, but I don't know how many times I have said quit fucking shooting you idiot. When I say that he's most likely shooting 30% from the field (or it seems). But then that 4th quarter comes and damn if he doesn't get the FG% back to a good level by the end of the game. I'm writing this comment completely off the cuff, so I haven't researched it, but I have to see what he shoots FG% wise in the 4th quarter and how that compares with the other 3 quarters.

Edit: Well...after checking the stats, it seems that the 4th quarter is his second worst quarter FG% wise. The 3rd quarter is his worse. Just goes to show you, perception isn't always reality.
 
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
Kyrie is so baffling to me. Obviously a great player, but I don't know how many times I have said quit fucking shooting you idiot. When I say that he's most likely shooting 30% from the field (or it seems). But then that 4th quarter comes and damn if he doesn't get the FG% back to a good level by the end of the game. I'm writing this comment completely off the cuff, so I haven't researched it, but I have to see what he shoots FG% wise in the 4th quarter and how that compares with the other 3 quarters.
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That's funny I usually say the complete opposite. I want him shooting and not driving to the basket. I'd trust Kyrie to get out of a shooting slump long before I'd want Lebron taking a long jumper or Love attempting to post up.
 
Tyrone Slothrop said:
Kyrie is so baffling to me. Obviously a great player, but I don't know how many times I have said quit fucking shooting you idiot. When I say that he's most likely shooting 30% from the field (or it seems). But then that 4th quarter comes and damn if he doesn't get the FG% back to a good level by the end of the game. I'm writing this comment completely off the cuff, so I haven't researched it, but I have to see what he shoots FG% wise in the 4th quarter and how that compares with the other 3 quarters.
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He's supposed to keep shooting... That's the point. You miss some you make some, but if you miss and stop you can't make the next shot; and Cavs need him to shoot the ball (obviously).

Anyway, what you're really looking for is the variance in his FG% over some set of games (like the LeBron era) to test for "streakiness." My first order approximation is that you'd find Irving is a lot less streaky than most NBA guards.

Nonetheless, great job by the kid bringing it home last night. Will be interesting to see him play on a back to back tonight.
 
Kyrie should drive to the basket more. I wish he'd go through bodies more instead of avoiding them to get the foul call. Kyrie is strong, he's not made of glass, he can do it.

You're not always going to shoot well in this league. I don't want Kyrie to become a one-dimensional scorer where he's just a mid-range and long-range shooter.

He needs to keep attacking. Draw fouls, create opportunities for others.

Bad shooting games happen to everything.
 
Tyrone Slothrop said:
Kyrie is so baffling to me. Obviously a great player, but I don't know how many times I have said quit fucking shooting you idiot. When I say that he's most likely shooting 30% from the field (or it seems). But then that 4th quarter comes and damn if he doesn't get the FG% back to a good level by the end of the game. I'm writing this comment completely off the cuff, so I haven't researched it, but I have to see what he shoots FG% wise in the 4th quarter and how that compares with the other 3 quarters.
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He shoots himself out of slumps way more often than not.

If he's been cold, he will get hot.
 
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