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Futuredome said:
No, Lebron is making the decisions easy. He will be 34 (37 in usage years) in 2019. He just wants to chill. Any team that gets him, will be disappointed.
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Is this some sort of coping mechanism just in case he does leave?

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At the end of this season, win or lose, at the end of the final home game, the crowd needs to stand up and give him a standing O and say thank you LBJ. He reenergized Cleveland and did a ton of good in the area.
He brought a championship- if he decides to leave, he kept his word. I hated him the first time he bailed, this time it would be bittersweet with a small grin on my face. We WON a fucking championship in CLEVELAND.
I hope people keep it classy this time.
 
I hope he stays and in the end I think he will. It will be best for his legacy and how he is remembered. If he leaves again he becomes more like Shaq or Wilt, someone not powerfully identified with a single team/location. I think players who are more identified with a place/team, like Bird, Magic, Michael, Bill Russell, are remembered better by fans. I think winning in Cleveland will also always be more gratifying to him than winning elsewhere.

Probably it's because I no longer live in Cleveland, but I found it easier to understand why he left in 2010, the team had just not put any good pieces around him and had no short-term prospect of doing so, and he was under ferocious pressure to win a championship or have his entire career insulted and dismissed. This time he doesn't have those excuses.
 
Cassity14 said:
I'm just curious as to what this upgrade looks like, and how it's acquired by moving Love.

You've still given me nothing in that regard, and resort to unsupported arguments and claiming things that may have been true in 2015.

Before you criticize the validity of statistics, I recommend studying how they are derived. What you're saying "wouldn't show up," actually would, and it didn't.

I understand that not even LeBron was able to do a good enough job on Durant last finals. That's my exact point. KD's offensive explosion had next to nothing to do with Love, and it was the primary reason the Cavs couldn't keep up in the series.

To put it more plainly, Love's defense had nothing to do with the Warriors offensive success in the last finals.
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The issue is not only his defense but his inability to create his own shot offensively against GS. He's basically been relegated to a spot-up jump shooter. And against GS, your offense is often your best defense. 90% of missed perimeter shots turn into layups or transition 3s on the other end. GS puts 5 players on the floor who can take defenders off the dribble, switch defensively, and hit open shots. It's a simple formula for which Love is a terrible match-up
 
Mavaliersfan said:
The issue is not only his defense but his inability to create his own shot offensively against GS. He's basically been relegated to a spot-up jump shooter. And against GS, your offense is often your best defense. 90% of missed perimeter shots turn into layups or transition 3s on the other end. GS puts 5 players on the floor who can take defenders off the dribble, switch defensively, and hit open shots. It's a simple formula for which Love is a terrible match-up
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Is that a Love problem or a system problem?
 
Cassity14 said:
Is that a Love problem or a system problem?
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I would place the blame as follows...

LeBron - because he doesn't play off the ball enough to suck defenders away from Love. When he is off-ball he's standing 2 feet behind the 3pt line completely out of the play.

Lue - because his offense is basically drive and kick and iso. And he hasn't put Love in the right positions to be successful, such as elbow touches or dribble hand-offs where he can either pop, roll, or keep the dribble and drive. Instead he puts Love in the low post once or twice a game where he's simply not as effective anymore because he's lost a ton of weight, the game has changed, and Tristan is there clogging the paint.

Kyrie - needs no explaining.

Love - Contrary to the popular opinion I think he should have never accepted his role and allowed himself to become so marginalized. If anyone should've diminished their game to accommodate the other star players it should've been Kyrie. Compared to Kyrie, Love was arguably the more accomplished player prior to 2015 and had more success carrying his team in a deeper western conference.

Again I would blame Bron for Kyrie getting more touches than Love because Bron loves to have that other guy he can dump the ball of to for a whole possession and exit the play so he can take a break. He did it at least 5 or 6 times a game with Wade and you saw it all the time with Mo Williams back in the day.

The Front office - for not putting the right players around him. We need more good cutters and finishers...players who can play without the ball. Crowder should help in that area tremendously, hopefully Jeff Green too. And it cannot be stated enough how much it hurts not having a pass first point guard. Delly did wonders for this team for that reason imagine if we had someone who was a slight upgrade to him. Can we reincarnate Jason Kidd?
 
LeBron and Kevin were working out together this morning. Lebron's going to average double digit assists and Kevin's going back to 26 and 12. Kyrie's bitch ass is going to light a fire under the guys all season long.
 
Mavaliersfan said:
Love - Contrary to the popular opinion I think he should have never accepted his role and allowed himself to become so marginalized. If anyone should've diminished their game to accommodate the other star players it should've been Kyrie. Compared to Kyrie, Love was arguably the more accomplished player prior to 2015 and had more success carrying his team in a deeper western conference.
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In today's day and age the term "superstar" in reference to an NBA player is tossed around as loosely as it was back in the 90's WWF. Everyone can be labeled a superstar or an up and coming super star.

At the end of the day, there are only a handful of "superstars" anymore. Superstars carry dumpster fires to contention and put up ridiculous numbers on top of that. Night in and night out they will be one of the best 2-3 players on the court, and make you play around them.

Kevin Love was a superstar prior to coming here. The four years prior to coming here he was putting up ridiculous numbers with no one around. Hell he nearly took them to the playoffs in a stacked Western Conference. Kyrie put up empty numbers on shitty teams. We as Cavs fans labeled him a superstar because of his dazzling plays.

If he's the second option, I expect a rebirth of Kevin Love. He will be touching the ball and it will be in his spots. LeBron is a willing passer, Kyrie was not.

People want to talk about Boston being a big 3...really? They don't have one superstar, they have 3 all stars, but no out of this world talent. Theyre 3rd best player cant even handle our offensively useless center.
 
Mavaliersfan said:
I would place the blame as follows...

LeBron - because he doesn't play off the ball enough to suck defenders away from Love. When he is off-ball he's standing 2 feet behind the 3pt line completely out of the play.

Lue - because his offense is basically drive and kick and iso. And he hasn't put Love in the right positions to be successful, such as elbow touches or dribble hand-offs where he can either pop, roll, or keep the dribble and drive. Instead he puts Love in the low post once or twice a game where he's simply not as effective anymore because he's lost a ton of weight, the game has changed, and Tristan is there clogging the paint.

Kyrie - needs no explaining.

Love - Contrary to the popular opinion I think he should have never accepted his role and allowed himself to become so marginalized. If anyone should've diminished their game to accommodate the other star players it should've been Kyrie. Compared to Kyrie, Love was arguably the more accomplished player prior to 2015 and had more success carrying his team in a deeper western conference.

Again I would blame Bron for Kyrie getting more touches than Love because Bron loves to have that other guy he can dump the ball of to for a whole possession and exit the play so he can take a break. He did it at least 5 or 6 times a game with Wade and you saw it all the time with Mo Williams back in the day.

The Front office - for not putting the right players around him. We need more good cutters and finishers...players who can play without the ball. Crowder should help in that area tremendously, hopefully Jeff Green too. And it cannot be stated enough how much it hurts not having a pass first point guard. Delly did wonders for this team for that reason imagine if we had someone who was a slight upgrade to him. Can we reincarnate Jason Kidd?
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Yeah I agree with a lot of this.

I don't understand how the solution, now, is to shop Love for whatever the team can get unless it's a clear, undeniable upgrade. The ideas of shopping Love WITH the Brooklyn pick is asinine to me unless a proven mvp caliber player (Anthony Davis) is coming back on a long term deal or public assurances that they are going to re-sign for a maximum length deal.
 
I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter reading comments, but today with all the shit like Kyrie on FT, KD defending himself on another account, LeBron and Love hanging out, I read alot of comments and learned we are called 'Bronsexuals' lol.

Is that a term made up by Kobe fans?
 
Real Deal said:
I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter reading comments, but today with all the shit like Kyrie on FT, KD defending himself on another account, LeBron and Love hanging out, I read alot of comments and learned we are called 'Bronsexuals' lol.

Is that a term made up by Kobe fans?
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Kobe fans use it the most, but I've seen it on a Celtics forum before as well.
 
Real Deal said:
I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter reading comments, but today with all the shit like Kyrie on FT, KD defending himself on another account, LeBron and Love hanging out, I read alot of comments and learned we are called 'Bronsexuals' lol.

Is that a term made up by Kobe fans?
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Kobe fans, MJ Defenders & KD apologists. All mouth breathers.
 
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