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Chris said:

Guys, there’s tons of lords. Varys could have warned dozens or even hundreds for all we know.

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Probably just the prominent one's. We don't really know who is filling some of these vacant positions though.

Obviously we know Highgarden is vacant, since Bronn wants it.

And House Tyrell is finito.

godfather said:

Probably just the prominent one's. We don't really know who is filling some of these vacant positions though.

Obviously we know Highgarden is vacant, since Bronn wants it.

And House Tyrell is finito.

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Right, the Great Houses are vacant in some places, but their bannermen still exist on some level.

godfather said:

It literally made no sense why she went 'mad' and started burning people in King's Landing.

I've heard some theories why. Like cleansing the city, blah, blah, blah...

But she's a foreign invader. And as Tyrion has tried telling her multiple times, you got to win over the Lord's of Westeros.

What she did, when there was no tactical advantage to do so, was just a huge and very stupid mistake by her. And frankly, one, that didn't even make sense.

It'd been better if there was some justified reason for doing what she did. Burning King's Landing. But there was NONE!

It felt out of left field, and its why a lot of us just think its jumping the shark television.

Just intimidating your way to power, and staying, just doesn't work. It didn't work for The Mad King.

And she seemingly understand that early on, but now just doesn't?

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In real life, people don't always act rationally. They sometimes do stupid things for purely emotional reasons. You just pointed out above that "it didn't work for the Mad King", and you're right. But GRRM wrote it that way anyway because people don't always to the most logical thing. There are tons of historical examples of that -- emotional leaders doing stupid things even though those things do not appear to be in their long-term interests.

Just in terms of the books, it didn't make sense for Catelyn to be so shitty to Jon, it didn't make sense for her to nab Tyrion in that Inn, it didn't make sense for Jon to be such an arrogant dick when he first made it up to the wall, it didn't make sense for Rhaegar not to let the rest of the world know that he didn't kidnap Lyanna, etc.. But all that shit happened because people don't always act rationally.

Dany frying the Tarlys was an irrationally stupid move because it raised the specter of her turning into her father. But she was becoming megalomaniacal, and couldn't stand being defied by anyone. So, she did it anyway. And when it came to burning King's Landing, sure, it was asinine. But she'd lost two dragons, and her closest female advisor had been decapitated right in front of her eyes. And the city of a million people was apparently (to her mind) content to tolerate Cersei. So...she lost it.

She wasn't acting rationally. That doesn't mean it wasn't plausible.

I think there have been a lot of problems with the show, but Dany burning KL wasn't one of them. I think that's more an issue of people simply not liking her character becoming a mass murderer because...they liked her character.

godfather said:

Probably just the prominent one's. We don't really know who is filling some of these vacant positions though.

Obviously we know Highgarden is vacant, since Bronn wants it.

And House Tyrell is finito.

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Even Varys getting those letters to the Eyrie and Riverrun is enough to do some serious damage to Dany.

The Tully's and Arryn's both turning against her (I'd assume Edmure Tully and Robin Arryn are still alive even though we haven't seen them), along with Sansa more than likely rallying the north against her would be bad news.

Not sure who's even running the Reach right now. The Tyrells are all dead and the Tarly house is kind of just sitting there without Sam. I think the Redwynes or Hightowers would be next in line there, and both of those houses are still rather prominent (I was able to remember their existence, so they can't be too shitty).

I know nothing about Dorne, so who knows there. Gendry will do whatever Arya wants, and Dany just made him lord of Storm's End, so that's another kingdom that would probably go against Dany.

Dany's ~4K Unsullied, however many Dothraki the show wants to give her (I saw roughly 2K in next week's trailer), and Drogon + potential Dorne support versus the North, the Vale, the Reach, and the Stormlands would probably end in her getting her ass kicked.

The Reeds are still alive as well. I’m not sure about the Karatarks, but some of the bannermen went to winterfell. Mormont probably still has someone after little bear.

Stark said:

Even Varys getting those letters to the Eyrie and Riverrun is enough to do some serious damage to Dany.

The Tully's and Arryn's both turning against her (I'd assume Edmure Tully and Robin Arryn are still alive even though we haven't seen them), along with Sansa more than likely rallying the north against her would be bad news.

Not sure who's even running the Reach right now. The Tyrells are all dead and the Tarly house is kind of just sitting there without Sam. I think the Redwynes or Hightowers would be next in line there, and both of those houses are still rather prominent (I was able to remember their existence, so they can't be too shitty).

I know nothing about Dorne, so who knows there. Gendry will do whatever Arya wants, and Dany just made him lord of Storm's End, so that's another kingdom that would probably go against Dany.

Dany's ~4K Unsullied, however many Dothraki the show wants to give her (I saw roughly 2K in next week's trailer), and Drogon + potential Dorne support versus the North, the Vale, the Reach, and the Stormlands would probably end in her getting her ass kicked.

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Dorne never sends soldiers though, so their support is useless.

Stark said:

Even Varys getting those letters to the Eyrie and Riverrun is enough to do some serious damage to Dany.

The Tully's and Arryn's both turning against her (I'd assume Edmure Tully and Robin Arryn are still alive even though we haven't seen them), along with Sansa more than likely rallying the north against her would be bad news.

Not sure who's even running the Reach right now. The Tyrells are all dead and the Tarly house is kind of just sitting there without Sam. I think the Redwynes or Hightowers would be next in line there, and both of those houses are still rather prominent (I was able to remember their existence, so they can't be too shitty).

I know nothing about Dorne, so who knows there. Gendry will do whatever Arya wants, and Dany just made him lord of Storm's End, so that's another kingdom that would probably go against Dany.

Dany's ~4K Unsullied, however many Dothraki the show wants to give her (I saw roughly 2K in next week's trailer), and Drogon + potential Dorne support versus the North, the Vale, the Reach, and the Stormlands would probably end in her getting her ass kicked.

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I'm not really sure the amount of troops, or how quickly they could all reach Winterfell, really matters. I don't think there is going to be a fight, although I do think her dragon is enough to let her win. She could wipe out the North right there, before anyone else arrives. And she and the dragon could start toasting armies from the Vale, Stormlands, or wherever long before they made it to her. (ETA: That's assuming no teleportation by D&D.)

My guess is that ravens will be arriving in Dragonstone from lords stating their support for Jon. Those messages will be used to present Danaerys with evidence that Westeros hates her, and that its lords will never support her. The only chance she would have of maintaining power is simply to keep killing everyone who doesn't like her, which will make her the exact kind of tyrant she was trying to eliminate. So obviously, I'm still leaning to her calling it quits and heading home once she is aware of all that.

Also, in terms of the argument that the Westerosi wouldn't let her go home unpunished, I could easily see someone like Jon saying that there has been enough killing. That attempting to punish Danaerys will just trigger another war, and more people would die.

Jack Brickman said:

I forgot Edmure Tully was still alive. Apparently the showrunners did too.

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Is the Blackfish dead in the show?

Cavatt said:

Is the Blackfish dead in the show?

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Yes.

Sad thing about this show is that it is really difficult to figure out what is going to happen because D&D have shown that they are perfectly willing to just yank shit out of their asses, internal logic/consistency be damned.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Yes.

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They mentioned it and it happened offscreen? That seems like a weird choice.

He is in play in the books, right?

The Human Q-Tip said:

Sad thing about this show is that it is really difficult to figure out what is going to happen because D&D have shown that they are perfectly willing to just yank shit out of their asses, internal logic/consistency be damned.

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D&D just don't care. They didn't want to go this long.

This is why everything is rushed, and makes no sense at all. They just want to end it and go make Star Wars.

The only ending I'd enjoy at this point. Is George RR Martin sitting on the Iron Throne, giving a big middle finger to Dumb and Dumber.

Cavatt said:

They mentioned it and it happened offscreen? That seems like a weird choice.

He is in play in the books, right?

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You don’t remember those couple episodes (I think in season 6) that dealt with the siege of Riverrun?

Sad thing about this show is that it is really difficult to figure out what is going to happen because D&D have shown that they are perfectly willing to just yank shit out of their asses, internal logic/consistency be damned.